Our N.C. Speaks For ME!
09-24-2006, 06:01 PM
#31
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by Pilot7576
130j...
UPS is supposed to get the 380 (I'll believe it when I see it!) and the 747-400. The 800 has never been mentioned (as of yet). When you compare the number of nb pilots to superwidebody pilots at federal (which won't be online for few years now), I think ups has the better pay scale setup. Add in the fact that if you get 757s, it will be considered nb for pay purposes as well.
As far as trip rig goes, most of the ups trips, domestic and international are paid on the rig. The exceptions are the cat and dog lines and turns (which are 6hrs). I think the reason is how federal pilots are not paid during the sort, at least that is what I've been told. Can you confirm this?
I've got a bud who works on your bus schedules. He says our scheduling is not as good as federal's, but it improved a lot this time around. His major gripe on the ta is the signing bonus differential between fedex and ups. But like all negotiations, you have to give up something to get something. I'm not sure where the tradeoffs were at ups.
I think your ta will pass by at least 80-20. I haven't heard too many discouraging words or show stoppers. Yours is shorter deal, so you guys can lay the groundwork for the next round.
Keep it safe,
Pilot7576
PS btw, your motors are upside down...lol
UPS is supposed to get the 380 (I'll believe it when I see it!) and the 747-400. The 800 has never been mentioned (as of yet). When you compare the number of nb pilots to superwidebody pilots at federal (which won't be online for few years now), I think ups has the better pay scale setup. Add in the fact that if you get 757s, it will be considered nb for pay purposes as well.
As far as trip rig goes, most of the ups trips, domestic and international are paid on the rig. The exceptions are the cat and dog lines and turns (which are 6hrs). I think the reason is how federal pilots are not paid during the sort, at least that is what I've been told. Can you confirm this?
I've got a bud who works on your bus schedules. He says our scheduling is not as good as federal's, but it improved a lot this time around. His major gripe on the ta is the signing bonus differential between fedex and ups. But like all negotiations, you have to give up something to get something. I'm not sure where the tradeoffs were at ups.
I think your ta will pass by at least 80-20. I haven't heard too many discouraging words or show stoppers. Yours is shorter deal, so you guys can lay the groundwork for the next round.
Keep it safe,
Pilot7576
PS btw, your motors are upside down...lol
Pilot,
Most of our hub turn lines are not paid rig. They are paid MDPD(Minimum Pay Per Duty Period). For the hub turn MPDP, that is 3 hrs of pay out of the hub and 3 hours of pay into the hub for a 6 hour pay day. Some of those trips are 22 TAFB (with layover) and some (out and backs which also pay 6 hours) are only 6 hours TAFB. So, to answer your question, most of the time we are not getting paid for the hub turn as we have already earned 6CH for the day.
As far as pay set up, we'll work on that next time around. I do think that a single pay rate for all A/C drags down the top rate more than bringing up the bottom rate. Of course I'm partial to the top end rate..
There's only one normal way to attach a motor to a wing and that is to hang it on there. Don't kow about that design guy that decided to set a motor on top of the wing. Funniest dam thing I've ever seen!
Past....
09-24-2006, 07:14 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by 130JDrvr
Most of our hub turn lines are not paid rig. They are paid MDPD(Minimum Pay Per Duty Period). For the hub turn MPDP, that is 3 hrs of pay out of the hub and 3 hours of pay into the hub for a 6 hour pay day. Some of those trips are 22 TAFB (with layover) and some (out and backs which also pay 6 hours) are only 6 hours TAFB. So, to answer your question, most of the time we are not getting paid for the hub turn as we have already earned 6CH for the day..
MPDP is a RiG. It is our only "MIN Duty RIG" while operating in/out of a defined sort facility. Note LAX wasn't defined as a SORT facility.
we have Duty RIG 1 for 2 domestic 1 for 1:92 INTL
we have Trip RIG currently 1 for 4 until JAN 08 if the TA passes.
And yes we have MPDP RIG's 1, 2, E, F
09-24-2006, 08:00 PM
#35
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,680
Originally Posted by FXDX
Ok, I tried, but it still doesn't look right.
You need to put {QUOTE=name of poster being quoted;msg no. for link back to it}The parts to be quoted{/QUOTE}
At a minimum you need {QUOTE}txt{/QUOTE}
09-24-2006, 10:08 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by 130JDrvr
dc,
What would you call our A380 payrates compared to UPS single pay rate for all? Including the 748 and the 380 that UPS will be flying for a single rate.
I guess our A380 rate is now, effectively, an A Plus Scale?
Past...
What would you call our A380 payrates compared to UPS single pay rate for all? Including the 748 and the 380 that UPS will be flying for a single rate.
I guess our A380 rate is now, effectively, an A Plus Scale?
Past...
Still think our WB rate being equal to UPS hourly = B scale for our NB.
09-25-2006, 06:30 AM
#38
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: 757 Capt
Posts: 679
brain dead
mach84...
Which of maitai's posts are you referring to? The one which he admitted he might be wrong about APA's openers? If so, reread the thread and see who might really be "brain dead."
JMO
Pilot7576
Which of maitai's posts are you referring to? The one which he admitted he might be wrong about APA's openers? If so, reread the thread and see who might really be "brain dead."
JMO
Pilot7576
09-25-2006, 06:45 AM
#39
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Position: Slave Ship, Shotgun
Posts: 14
Bonus differences
Maybe my math is fuzzy, but it only makes sense to me that UPS would get a bigger bonus/retro based on their larger (catchup to FedEx) pay increase and the longer period of time (4yrs vs 2 yrs) that they were in negotiations. Let's see---a 19% raise over a four year period should yield a larger bonus/retro than a 9% raise over a two year period. I am just a poolie for purple, but it's not rocket science to see that the bonus seems consistent. Perhaps not what all desire, but consistent.
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Coast
09-25-2006, 07:46 AM
#40
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fuzzy math
lawless1...
UPS was amendable 6 mos. prior to fedex. We started negotiating 15 mos before the amendable date (fat lot of good it did!) with the hope of having something to vote on by the amendable date. Just like before, ups didn't start negotiating seriously until they considered the time was right. The first two years were spent nibbling around the edges (uniforms/training) disregarding the important issues (scope/scheduling/compensation/retirement) until ups was ready.
Our top rates moved up to basically match federal's wb proposals (whisper numbers). On the last contract, our blended payrate was $16/hr less than federal's wb rate. We have caught up with that this time. You can say the larger bonus reflects more pay increase but not really the extra time negotiating. It's the amendable dates that really matter when you compute retro pay.
Good luck drying off and starting a great future!
JMO
Pilot7576
UPS was amendable 6 mos. prior to fedex. We started negotiating 15 mos before the amendable date (fat lot of good it did!) with the hope of having something to vote on by the amendable date. Just like before, ups didn't start negotiating seriously until they considered the time was right. The first two years were spent nibbling around the edges (uniforms/training) disregarding the important issues (scope/scheduling/compensation/retirement) until ups was ready.
Our top rates moved up to basically match federal's wb proposals (whisper numbers). On the last contract, our blended payrate was $16/hr less than federal's wb rate. We have caught up with that this time. You can say the larger bonus reflects more pay increase but not really the extra time negotiating. It's the amendable dates that really matter when you compute retro pay.
Good luck drying off and starting a great future!
JMO
Pilot7576
