Twice ain't an entire bid month. That's what we're asked to do. Walk a mile in our shoes -- not a block.

PIPE

 

Yeah but those pairings just fly by in a blouse.

 

.... +1

Listen to our own safety/Blue Threat guys ---- fatigue/sleep debt is cumulative.

He will need to fly back to back weeks, at a minimum, to make an honest assessment.

 

Someone said O bumped MK off the first 2 DP's for the month. Am I mistaken or does that mean he picked up more? He has 13 of them left. That would be a 90 hour custom line.

 

I think O may have been assigned the first one. When I first looked, he was listed as a js1 on day 2, MK as the captain.

 

I think O is flying them because he was told to fly them.

It would be nice if management was skilled enough to make educated conclusions by looking at trips on paper. I don't think the concepts of cumulative fatigue, body clock shift or sleep debt are known to them.

No, flying it only twice doesn't do the issue justice. He's there to give the boss ammo when it's announced they will not be changed. It will become a reserve staple. I hope crewmembers don't get more than one or two for safety's sake.

Having one of 200 or 300 CAs pick them up doesn't make them o.k. either. When he goes home he probably has an aberrant sleep pattern.


What keeps me up at night? This kind of stuff.....

 

Tell me where in the dp process it says the CP will fly the disputed pairings the 1st two nights? Hmmm sounds like you arent happy with CBA, anything we could have done about that recently?

 

Recently? As in the past?

We'd still be waiting and be poorer right now.

You really think they snuck one past us? I can't believe you think we could have forced them to the table to work on scheduling if they didn't want to be there. NPRM rules in play created uncertainty. I don't think this company negotiates with unknown cost increases. The NPRM also gives them the excuse to delay negotiations. The NMB would have accepted it and told us to wait it out peacefully. They were perfectly happy to SIBA the 757 and would have continued to do so until the costs of scheduling changes could be added up.

Specifically, the cost of what we want over and above new Federal rules. I appreciate the MEC Vice Chair explaining that we don't have to pay for new FAA rules. That's a given for me but who knows how the company would try to use that angle to alter negotiations. I guess the Vice Chair was saying it was smart of us to approve the TA before the rules came out. I wonder why he voted against it as a block rep?



You crack me up about the DP process. The FAA still holds the company, not the pilots, responsible for safe trip construction. Management has to show an effort.

 

Dont worry LAG, Gunter has vowed to hold the company's feet to the fire..............................

...............................................nex t time.

 

Timing is everything. All in good time.

Be as sarcastic as you want, it doesn't make you look any smarter.