1. I had a carry in conflict trip that was turned into sub. Do I still get leveled for it even if I either accept the sub or turn it down?

2. The original trip was a front end deadhead if I get an OB can I get disruption pay or do they have to give me a front end deadhead?

3. Also if I dont get a trip during the window is that time in sub considered work, or rest, ie could I fly another trip say 6 hours later?

Thanks

 

1. My guess would be you get leveled because either sub or otp results in you getting paid for the footprint of the trip. Sort of the way you get leveled for vaca that occurs before r-days in the same month. Just a guess, though.

2. I think the only obligation for trip type in sub is when it departs relative to the original trip (i.e. don't have to fly an am trip if you had a pm trip). A DH isn't required but you do keep the bank from the original DH.
I'm pretty sure disruption only applies to changes that happen after you block out on a trip.

3. Since the existence of sub in your calendar would preclude you from picking something up 6 hours after it ended, I don't know how you would actually accomplish that. Once the sub ended with nothing assigned, it would be difficult to pick up a trip that reports 6 hours later. Most open time gets assigned by skeds well outside of 6 hours prior.

Perhaps skeds could answer these questions. These kind of nuances aren't really spelled out in the contract.

 

This is why we need to FIX SUB in the contract. It's simply too hard, NOBODY understands it!!!! We should get paid extra for getting jerked around while in substitution status!!!

 

I was thinking if I dont get used of grabbing a standby they dont fill. So I dont know if sub is considered working or not for crew rest. If I called scheduling with these questions it would take hour to get "I dont know see what happens"

 

I would say that it you're on call for that period of time, then it counts as part of your duty day, just like reserve. You would then need a 12 hour buffer to pick up a standby. However, that doesn't mean the computer is programmed that way in regards to Sub.

 

However, once you're off sub and didn't get an assignment, the sub window is erased from your calendar. I'm not sure there's anything in the "system" to show any sort of duty since there really wasn't any.

To the OP, give it a try and let us know what happens.

 

You might be right. It all depends on whether they thought to program that into the system. It's definitely worth a try.

 

So if they offer me a trip and I turn it down does that go into OTP or makeup?

 

If you turn it down prior to the showtime of the original trip, then it's available as OTP for 2 bid periods after the period the trip was in. After that it reverts to general make-up.

If you turn it down after that deadline, then you lose trip guarantee and it's all just general make-up.