IPA Legal Update: IPA v. FAA/Cargo Airline A
02-11-2012, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FrontSeat
Well the Union is the entire IPA, am I not correct? Is the IPA just the EB?
And if the entire IPA was shown what the new rules would look like WRT a bid packet and allowed to vote on the issue of spending tons of money and time on it then maybe our message would be we want the cutout....
I don't know myself, but it sure would be nice to see what the new rules would do and to have a say so in such a major effort....
But I am just a a junior puke who the elected officials would tell to just sit down and color.......
And if the entire IPA was shown what the new rules would look like WRT a bid packet and allowed to vote on the issue of spending tons of money and time on it then maybe our message would be we want the cutout....
I don't know myself, but it sure would be nice to see what the new rules would do and to have a say so in such a major effort....
But I am just a a junior puke who the elected officials would tell to just sit down and color.......
.... and a really cool lanyard.
02-12-2012, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonathan E
Yep, the IPA is doing the heavy lifting again...
ALPA decades ago was a great union now its turned itself into a four letter word. Its sad to see how they have fallen.
02-13-2012, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 757upspilot
The IPA will do the heavy lifting on this and the heavy lifting on the next contract cycle as ALPA kicks the contract can down the road.
ALPA decades ago was a great union now its turned itself into a four letter word. Its sad to see how they have fallen.
ALPA decades ago was a great union now its turned itself into a four letter word. Its sad to see how they have fallen.
02-13-2012, 05:40 PM
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Make no mistake...if FDX ALPA went up against UPS, they would be lucky to make non-sched wages and have any work rules whatsoever. They would get slaughtered.
Fred GRANTS FDX ALPA an existence, IMO because he's smart enough to know that a fragmented ALPA and a pilot group deep down knowing how weak ALPA is is good for business.
If ALPA ever does get around to negotiating a contract they'll perhaps be lucky to get UPS+$1, or get another 'With or without you" letter in the mail and fold like a house of cards.
My bet is FDX ALPA flounders and takes UPS+$1...why do all that work when somebody else can do it for you...the new American way apparently.
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Fred GRANTS FDX ALPA an existence, IMO because he's smart enough to know that a fragmented ALPA and a pilot group deep down knowing how weak ALPA is is good for business.
If ALPA ever does get around to negotiating a contract they'll perhaps be lucky to get UPS+$1, or get another 'With or without you" letter in the mail and fold like a house of cards.
My bet is FDX ALPA flounders and takes UPS+$1...why do all that work when somebody else can do it for you...the new American way apparently.
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02-14-2012, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
Brown pilots hate UPS, love the IPA, and are mad as hell.
Purple pilots love Fred, are oblivious to ALPA, and are disinterested.
Purple pilots love Fred, are oblivious to ALPA, and are disinterested.
My Dad is better than your Dad.
Mine is bigger than yours........
Come on find something else to complain about.
Tell you what, You worry about IPA and we will worry about FDX ALPA.
Last edited by RedeyeAV8r; 02-14-2012 at 12:27 AM.
02-14-2012, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
My Dad is better than your Dad.
Mine is bigger than yours........
Come on find something else to complain about.
Tell you what, You worry about IPA and we will worry about FDX ALPA.
Mine is bigger than yours........
Come on find something else to complain about.
Tell you what, You worry about IPA and we will worry about FDX ALPA.
Tell you what...don't do a house of cards collapse when Fred sends out another bluff letter and lower the bar for us this time...keep extending if you please. We'll do the heavy lifting...again.
Everything you have is a gift from Fred...simple fact.
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02-14-2012, 06:07 AM
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I don't belong to ALPA because I think we have more political pull than the various industry groups. In fact, I shudder to think of the difference between what the ALPA-PAC spends versus what mgt spends. As to FDX, I'd venture a guess that Fred lobbying in the seats at FedEx Field is more effective than the donations FDX pilots give to the PAC.
I belong to ALPA for access to the medical department, for another set of eyes tracking my pension. AND, most importantly, for legal defense. IF the company fires me because I elected to wear a Christmas tie outside of the "permitted" periods, then I know I don't have to pony up the bucks for representation fighting to get my job back.
ALPA is not EF Hutton. ALPA-PAC does have a seat at the table a bit closer than IPA...but, just because something makes sense or is logical doesn't mean Congress is going to listen to it. In fact, sometimes I get the impression that being logical hinders rather than helps when dealing with the Govt.
I belong to ALPA for access to the medical department, for another set of eyes tracking my pension. AND, most importantly, for legal defense. IF the company fires me because I elected to wear a Christmas tie outside of the "permitted" periods, then I know I don't have to pony up the bucks for representation fighting to get my job back.
ALPA is not EF Hutton. ALPA-PAC does have a seat at the table a bit closer than IPA...but, just because something makes sense or is logical doesn't mean Congress is going to listen to it. In fact, sometimes I get the impression that being logical hinders rather than helps when dealing with the Govt.
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