Shaggy1970

Tell you what, how about you guys figure out your internal issues first and figure out who you want on your MEC before you come pointing fingers at the IPA.

Busboy

Pointing fingers? Really? Reread this thread, Sport. The only finger pointing going on here is at FDX ALPA, and it's been with your middle finger.

USMCFDX

Hello Pot, this is Kettle. Seems to me from the posts I read your house hasn't been the living in wedded bliss either.

Remind me again why the UPS and FedEx guys are going at each other.

Shaggy1970

Cause our union is working on making things better while your continues to pass the buck. From reading your threads seems like you guys need to clean your own house before your ready to join any fight.

FXDX

You are really winning friends and influencing people there Shaggy.

USMCFDX

I noticed that you did not quote the part of my post that address the fact that your house isn't so clean either.

FEtrip7

Just got this in my inbox from a friend over at Big Brown. Was posted recently on their internal bulletin board.

Guys,

I have been made aware of some frustrations being exchanged between supposed IPA and FedEx ALPA pilots over on the public APC Forum. I encourage all IPA members to refrain from establishing any ill will between our two Associations, especially when our collective efforts are needed in addressing the issues facing us all.

The IPA and our colleagues at FedEx ALPA have established a cooperative working relationship over the past year. We (the pilots of UPS and FedEx) share many of the same concerns that currently face our industry in general and cargo in particular. The new Flight Time/Duty Time rule and the subsequent carve-out of cargo airlines from that rule should trouble us all. Pilot Fatigue does not discriminate. Whether boxes or passengers are carried behind us, the dangerous effect of fatigue poses an equal threat to aviation safety.

ALPA is choosing to pursue a legislative track in attacking the problem. The IPA has elected to fight the battle both legislatively and legally. We jointly seek the same objective. FedEx MEC Chairman Scott Stratton and I have recently discussed joining our efforts during recent meetings together in Washington D.C. Those discussions continue and the IPA welcomes opportunities to work jointly together with FedEx ALPA and our friends at CAPA in achieving a successful outcome to this misguided and inequitable application of the new safety rule to our industry. We are a stronger voice together than individually.

It is easy to let the distractions of these challenging issues morph into internal strife among our groups. Let’s resist turning inward on one another out of frustration over what is surely another uphill battle for cargo pilots. As I have mentioned before, turning back yet another attempt (remember TCAS in the 1990’s) at a cargo carve-out may seem like a David vs. Goliath endeavor against the significant lobbying power of the cargo industry. But together, we (the IPA, CAPA and FedEx ALPA) are on the side of angels on this issue which in turn serves to remind us that that in the end, David did slay the giant !

Remain United,

Bob Travis
IPA President

DLax85

Exactly what in the "actual" new rules would drive this change in your schedules?

(There was a lot of talk "before" the "actual" new rules came out, which suggested commuting could become more limited/difficult, but I don't believe any of those limitations (i.e. max # of consecutive night hub turns) made it into the final verbiage)

Do your sources in "manpower planning" work for the IPA or management??

UPSFO4LIFE

Manpower planning is a UPS function. I believe you would be limited to 3 nights or EDW trips in a row. No more Tues. Morning to Sat. morning trips per the new rules. Like I said before, I would like the IPA to put out some sample trips that reflect the new rules. They are doing a great job telling me how we are still overstaffed and how many more vacation weeks will be avail., now let me see how the lines will look if we are included in the new rest rules. That's all!

DLax85

I'm unfamiliar with your "EDW" trips, but if you are talking only 3 "hub turns" in a row, I believe that restriction was originally in the "proposed" rules, but did NOT make the final version.

Other's in the know please chime in....and I will look to double-check the new rules.

I do agree; however, that your IPA should answer these type of simple scheduling question immediately.