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Old 04-25-2012, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Cant attack the message attack the messenger. Must have watched alot of matlock.
Hey guys,

Please don't shoot this messenger....already been there. A number of my DAL buds have been talking with me about life at purple vs Dal, and are considering trying to make the move.

These are really good guys, but the latest HKG issues are cautionary to them regarding the bid for an FDA. Do PC and his folks not think it will be even more difficult to fill the HKG right seat now ?

Intrusion over,
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Old 04-25-2012, 05:03 AM
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I have had a bid in for the left seat in HKG ever since the base was formed. My wife and I have done a lot of research and prepared our lives to make the leap when the time came.

But I've now yanked HKG off my standing bid. If my mother-in-law gets cancer and my wife goes home to help her, it would cost me 50k a year, or I could run silent run deep and risk losing my career. No thanks.
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ClownJetFlyer

Sounds like Tony C posting under another name.

Multiple Usernames ... I'm pretty sure APC frowns on that, but it hasn't kept certain MEC Committee Chairmen from doing it in order to influence the conversation from behind an "anonymous" pseudonym.


I'm not smart enough to create and perpetuate fiction like that. Like a wise man once said, it's easier to keep the stories straight if you stick to the truth.



Originally Posted by HKFlyr

... wonder if they came out on fedex Jumpseats - my bet is Business class - just a guess ...

I would hope they travelled on the ALPA dime, commercial airline, business class. That is 100% proper and appropriate. They were in HKG on ALPA business, and it's the class of service we would expect on a "company" deadhead.

Jumpseats are intended to be a personal privilege. When we start requiring that they be used for "business," The Company will want us to use them operationally in lieu of commercial deadheads. I'd prefer the jumpseat be open for guys commuting or travelling to destinations of their choice in their free time.

Union work shouldn't enrich a pilot, but it also shouldn't punish him. That's the wrong tree to bark up.





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Old 04-25-2012, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Cant attack the message attack the messenger. Must have watched alot of matlock.
I'm just an HK guy that got tired of lurking..and not Tony.

But I did see what several others at the meeting saw...SS did attack the messenger to avoid answering the message. Glad that was brought up.

I want the real questions to be answered, and nothing was answered at the meeting. But then again, they always tell us what we want to hear.

I want to see it in the message line, and I want to see the message in the public. But this administration is not confrontational. And Hong Kong with a few pilots out here on the street isn't worth making waves with the Memphis elite.
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Originally Posted by HKFlyr
I'm just an HK guy that got tired of lurking..and not Tony.

But I did see what several others at the meeting saw...SS did attack the messenger to avoid answering the message. Glad that was brought up.

I want the real questions to be answered, and nothing was answered at the meeting. But then again, they always tell us what we want to hear.

I want to see it in the message line, and I want to see the message in the public. But this administration is not confrontational. And Hong Kong with a few pilots out here on the street isn't worth making waves with the Memphis elite.
You miss understand my comment it was in reply to the clown. He attacked you instead of disputing what you wrote. It is a very common tactic on APC. The fact that clown did that only reinforced the authenticity of your original comment. At least in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by FedElta
Hey guys,

Please don't shoot this messenger....already been there. A number of my DAL buds have been talking with me about life at purple vs Dal, and are considering trying to make the move.

These are really good guys, but the latest HKG issues are cautionary to them regarding the bid for an FDA. Do PC and his folks not think it will be even more difficult to fill the HKG right seat now ?

Intrusion over,
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I think they think they can fill both seats with new hires off the street. Makes no difference to them, they have to hire anyways. And as long as FDX MEC is willing to cooperate (as they have been at least as far back as the ANC LOA); they are correct.
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
I think they think they can fill both seats with new hires off the street. Makes no difference to them, they have to hire anyways. And as long as FDX MEC is willing to cooperate (as they have been at least as far back as the ANC LOA); they are correct.
Hey Lag.

As usual, I probably wasn't clear.....my friends who are interested in changing employers are telling me that if becoming newhires, they would NOT accept, or volunteer for HKG under the current atmosphere.

Clearer ?
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Old 04-25-2012, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
Multiple Usernames ... I'm pretty sure APC frowns on that, but it hasn't kept certain MEC Committee Chairmen from doing it in order to influence the conversation from behind an "anonymous" pseudonym.


I'm not smart enough to create and perpetuate fiction like that. Like a wise man once said, it's easier to keep the stories straight if you stick to the truth.





I would hope they travelled on the ALPA dime, commercial airline, business class. That is 100% proper and appropriate. They were in HKG on ALPA business, and it's the class of service we would expect on a "company" deadhead.

Jumpseats are intended to be a personal privilege. When we start requiring that they be used for "business," The Company will want us to use them operationally in lieu of commercial deadheads. I'd prefer the jumpseat be open for guys commuting or travelling to destinations of their choice in their free time.

Union work shouldn't enrich a pilot, but it also shouldn't punish him. That's the wrong tree to bark up.





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Now that is the kind of stuff I used to see out of TonyC. I applaud your objectiveness.
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Old 04-25-2012, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by FedElta
Hey Lag.

As usual, I probably wasn't clear.....my friends who are interested in changing employers are telling me that if becoming newhires, they would NOT accept, or volunteer for HKG under the current atmosphere.

Clearer ?
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No I understood, there will always be RJ captains wanting to move up and I dont blame them. Until FDX MEC makes it affordable (and safe) to go to to HKG, ANC or CGN the seniority will be out of whack. And yes I understand that it is the membership that is the MEC.

That is why I thought the recall fiasco was so amusing. It doesnt really matter whos eating at the Poplar Ruth Chris or the HKG equivalent.
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Originally Posted by TonyC
That's the wrong tree to bark up.
It is a tree up which we must not bark, and a lot of nonsense up with which we will not put.
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