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Old 06-27-2013, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Radials Rule View Post
I knew that it wouldn't take long for someone to call it socialism. Pretty soon, it'll be Marxism.

It's especially interesting given your #43 post.
Are we are aren't we for all workers everywhere? Even the ones on Welfare.

You still mad at Thatcher for selling British Air?
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Old 06-27-2013, 07:47 AM
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We could just go back to being paid in script that is only good at the company store and live in shanties owned by the companies. One only has to look Enron and working conditions in China to know companies will not always do the right thing.
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Old 06-27-2013, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MD11Simnerd View Post
Seriously?

You think you have provided an end all reference?

Over the last few years, I have heard from many that you are a problem. From moderators to many of the F/Os you fly with. You can come up with all of the attacks you usually do, but YOU are degrading your cockpit for your entertainment.


I have tried to extend an olive branch to come to understanding, or at least a truce. You and all the people that feed you information need to get it right. You can't "turn again" without ramifications....
Ah Little Lord Fauntleroy...my favorite stalker.

As for the matter at hand, we were discussing the teacher unions, and their one tune dog and pony show that if only we spent more money our education system would improve. If anything its just the opposite. As the USC study shows, we spend far more than every other nation yet the results continue to decline. In the most recent tax increase in CA, a study revealed that over 70% of the monies garnered only go to shore up teacher pensions/benefits, while it was sold as a savior to the children...simple bait and switch. That combined with the ability of these unions to pretty much extort their will on the public with few checks and balances (unlike us) makes them a moral hazard IMO.

As for the rest, I don't know why you even bothered to inject yourself in this given you don't even have kids and hence know nothing about education, then it of course occurred to be you've got a man crush on me, and follow me around the boards like a retarded love sick puppy

Since you made it personal, allow me to retort...

One of the moderators is a friend of mine, and as many do views you as a petulant, power-hungry doofus, as do many of the SDF captains that fly with you. You were twice rightly defeated, and in all truth should have been tossed out of IPA for illegally obtaining and using confidential personal material from the IPA and using it in a campaign as outlined in "acts against the association" in the C & B. That you weren't is a gift that you should thank the powers that be for gracing you with. Yet, you and your minions continue to undermine a rightly and resoundingly elected EB during contract negotiations to further your own manchild ego and quest for power. I fully expect you to disrupt and undermine the EB and NC under cover of gracing us with your alleged expertise to further your vendetta. Bear in mind you're messing with our livelihoods with such antics, while I simply point it out...which is more tenuous?

Don't you have a car to blow up?
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Old 06-27-2013, 08:26 AM
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The problem with public sectors unions, is that it's government negotiating with the government. Do you all not see the conflicts of interest?
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Old 06-27-2013, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog View Post
The problem with public sectors unions, is that it's government negotiating with the government. Do you all not see the conflicts of interest?
I see it as rank and file workers negotiating with management. The employer/employee relationship is still there. Saying that police, teachers etc. is the government is a stretch. Thus, no conflict of interest.
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Old 06-27-2013, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dckozak View Post
Let me guess.... you have a child in a private school. So what rationale would you have for paying for what free down the road other than....
Nope.. Kids go to public school.. Thanks for playing!

How about while rolling those eyes, you open them up to reality?

Oh, and the Fox News comment was what surely convinced me that your right and I am wrong. Debate with someone else, that is the wildcard lets me know you are not interested in my opinion or anybody else's for that matter!

FYI, I get my news from many sources. Mostly online and to be honest, I don't really care for Fox news online format.
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Old 06-27-2013, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Radials Rule View Post
I see it as rank and file workers negotiating with management. The employer/employee relationship is still there. Saying that police, teachers etc. is the government is a stretch. Thus, no conflict of interest.
For tax dollars!
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Old 06-27-2013, 10:12 AM
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For tax dollars!
Which they then turn around and kickback to the guys who got them the money in the 1st place. It be like us being able to influence who runs the board.
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Old 06-27-2013, 10:13 AM
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We could just go back to being paid in script that is only good at the company store and live in shanties owned by the companies. One only has to look Enron and working conditions in China to know companies will not always do the right thing.
Again, do you see anyone here wishing they weren't in a Union?
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Old 06-27-2013, 10:37 AM
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Sideshow, I like the cut of your jib.
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