Atlas Crew Lands Dreamlifter Wrong Airport
11-24-2013 | 12:05 PM
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And for those who think this could never happen to them, you may want to rethink your position on this. That kind of invincible mindset is foolish and potentially dangerous. Better to decide that it COULD happen to you and then implement procedures to make sure it doesn't ever happen.
11-24-2013 | 12:43 PM
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11-24-2013 | 12:55 PM
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Depending on how far away you are - they can look similar.
MALSRs never look like ALSF-1s though.
Since the approach lights for Rwy 18 are PCL at KAAO - I guess it is lucky they were already on since I'm sure the errant crew hadn't clicked them up using CTAF.
MALSRs never look like ALSF-1s though.
Since the approach lights for Rwy 18 are PCL at KAAO - I guess it is lucky they were already on since I'm sure the errant crew hadn't clicked them up using CTAF.
11-24-2013 | 01:41 PM
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OK ...
Let's for discussion sake ... say that from some perspective that a 6000' runway "might" look similar to a 12,000' runway (I'm not exactly sure I'm buying this argument?) ...
at some point, maybe in the flare(?), would you think something was wrong when your 211' wingspan (with both outboard engines over the grass) doesn't look quite right on that 100' wide runway?
I don't have easy access to a 747 Operating Manual ... how wide are the outboard landing gear?
Let's for discussion sake ... say that from some perspective that a 6000' runway "might" look similar to a 12,000' runway (I'm not exactly sure I'm buying this argument?) ...
at some point, maybe in the flare(?), would you think something was wrong when your 211' wingspan (with both outboard engines over the grass) doesn't look quite right on that 100' wide runway?
I don't have easy access to a 747 Operating Manual ... how wide are the outboard landing gear?
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11-24-2013 | 01:50 PM
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And for those who think this could never happen to them, you may want to rethink your position on this. That kind of invincible mindset is foolish and potentially dangerous. Better to decide that it COULD happen to you and then implement procedures to make sure it doesn't ever happen.
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Those who properly brief from top of descent to parking wont land at the wrong airport.
Those who tune and identify the approach aids will not land at the wrong airport.
Those who monitor proper LOC/GS indication even on a visual approach don't land at the wrong airport.
Those who review the perils of airports with similar runway alignments will not land at the wrong airport.
Those who review the 10-9 or equivalent of the US Government charts wont land at the wrong airport.
After 38 years in the industry as a check airman and examiner, I can't stress enough to my colleagues of the perils of relying on automation and complacent behavior.
That said to date, it hasn't happened nor will it happen to anyone if disciplines are followed.
I will agree, however, experiencing a non-normal situation, engine failure, system failure can happen to anyone, but landing at the wrong airport? It does not just happen to anyone.
That said spare the Stockholm Syndrome
11-24-2013 | 01:55 PM
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Well said. Some of the posters here may well have that mindset. The crew in question probably did as well. They don't anymore ... In any case what they're going through now I wouldn't wish on anyone.
Well ... almost anyone
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In any case what they're going through now I wouldn't wish on anyone.Well ... almost anyone
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11-24-2013 | 02:04 PM
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I disagree.
Those who properly brief from top of descent to parking wont land at the wrong airport.
Those who tune and identify the approach aids will not land at the wrong airport.
Those who monitor proper LOC/GS indication even on a visual approach don't land at the wrong airport.
Those who review the perils of airports with similar runway alignments will not land at the wrong airport.
Those who review the 10-9 or equivalent of the US Government charts wont land at the wrong airport.
After 38 years in the industry as a check airman and examiner, I can't stress enough to my colleagues of the perils of relying on automation and complacent behavior.
That said to date, it hasn't happened nor will it happen to anyone if disciplines are followed.
I will agree, however, experiencing a non-normal situation, engine failure, system failure can happen to anyone, but landing at the wrong airport? It does not just happen to anyone.
That said spare the Stockholm Syndrome
Those who properly brief from top of descent to parking wont land at the wrong airport.
Those who tune and identify the approach aids will not land at the wrong airport.
Those who monitor proper LOC/GS indication even on a visual approach don't land at the wrong airport.
Those who review the perils of airports with similar runway alignments will not land at the wrong airport.
Those who review the 10-9 or equivalent of the US Government charts wont land at the wrong airport.
After 38 years in the industry as a check airman and examiner, I can't stress enough to my colleagues of the perils of relying on automation and complacent behavior.
That said to date, it hasn't happened nor will it happen to anyone if disciplines are followed.
I will agree, however, experiencing a non-normal situation, engine failure, system failure can happen to anyone, but landing at the wrong airport? It does not just happen to anyone.
That said spare the Stockholm Syndrome
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