Intruder533

If you have week long Carryover trip, and You are awarded a secondary line, You can elect to protect minimum days off. When they build the secondary line what happens to the hours that you dont use? Do they go into Makeup? Or do you lose them? Will they build the line to vto standards of 68 hours or will it be more because of the minimum days off?

Along the same line, If you are awarded a line that does not conflict and you elect to protect minimum days off, can you ask for what trips you wish to drop? Do they honor your request? If you drop a trip do those hours go into makeup? Can you make up all or some of those hours during the conflict input window before secondary lines are built?

Do you care?
Are you Bored with me Yet?

NavyHercs

If you choose to protect min days off, during the conflict window you will be asked to list in preference order which trips you would like dropped. Those hours will be available to you to use during the view/add window (first crack at open time). VIPS will tell you how many hours you have available for use (including an additional 6 for free).

Hope that helps.

FDXLAG

You get to cherry pick the best VTO trips before anyone else. It is almost as good a deal as all the overtime at straight pay.

Jumbo Pilot

Being a regular secondary line holder (10 of the last 12 bid periods), I'm fairly familiar with the process.

If you are awarded a VTO and elect to protect min days off due to Carryover, you will be built a line that has the minimum number of days off. The time that is removed or not built in to your secondary line will go into your General Makeup Bank. Usually, your line will have more CH than a "normal" secondary line due to the 1 week TAFB trip that is already on your line added to a built secondary line in the new bid period that will give you pretty much exactly the min days off for the bid period.

The thing you will NOT get with protecting min days off AND and VTO is an opportunity for a monthly makeup bid during the View/Add window. Those opportunities are only for Regular and Reserve Line Holders.

As FDXLAG said.. if you are awarded a [Regular or Reserve] line, you will get first crack at the open trips during the view/add window if you elect to protect min days off.

Hope this helps..

and of course we all care.


Oh.. and an added thing, they do a fairly good job at honoring your requests on which trips or R-days to remove if you elect to protect min days off. Although, it's VERY straight forward for my seat 777FO because the longer trips either protect or violate the min days off. YMMV on the A300.

ol'tigerguy

Don't mean to hijack but imma gonna ask anyway.
I have 5 r days that carry into Feb. If I get awarded a line that conflicts with those r days, will the dropped r day hours be placed into straight makeup or will they be available for the conflict window makeup? Same question with bidding a VTO and protecting min days.
Thanks, O'T

Intruder533

So let me get this straight. By telling the company to protect minimum days off you can select to drop a trip you don't want in order to protect minimum days off and then go right back and make up a trip out of open time that you do want. It's like your telling them to drop trips because my time off is important oh but wait now I do want to work and I get first crack. Interesting.
Do I have this right?

FDXLAG

Yes, the company loves it because they can get around the Max BLG bid line restrictions. The pilots love it because it is the best scheduling tool available (and the money is good). Great for the individuals. Lousy for the group.

olly

CRS will build you vto to the target value or min days off. Your carryover hours will NOT be credited to the target build hours.

i.e if the VTO target is 70 and you have 20 carry in they will build a line to 70, and you will still work your carry in and be paid a total of 90 hrs. They do NOT take the target 70, and subtract out 20 and build a line with 50 hours. So in this simple example you'll have a 90 hour line as long as it doesn't violate min days off (as long as you selected that preference).

They vto schedulers will only be constrained by min days off, not hours (except 100 in 30, 30 in 7 etc)

magic rat

So, a lineholder with carryover, protects MDO...awarded a line, then gets to choose carryover value worth of trips to drop , then gets to cherrypick those hours plus 6?

FDXLAG

Yes, and if gets a reserve line he gets leveled for his C/O flying. Work less for more pay.