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Old 07-04-2014, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Banana View Post
All this palarva about Masters Degrees in whatever field came about when HR started to put their noses into the hiring process. Why a Masters Degree, in an non related field, carries more weight in the hiring process than the experience gained from contacting Mumbai on HF at zero dark thirty when the airspace looks like the Battle of Britain or flying 208 minutes ETOPS across the North Pole with no HF coverage for 3 hours or navigating across the Ho Chi Mins FIR with a monsoon and CBs up to 50000' engulfing you and the surrounding FIRs refusing your deviation requests, is well beyond me.
In the past, HR were there to make notes and ask one question only, if allowed, and now its the Chief Pilots who are allowed the occasional question while the HR folk nod their collective heads as if they know what is being spoken about.
While I agree with F15andMD11s comment about too much flight time hurting a candidate, I struggle with how a 30 year old with 5000TT, who has never seen whats on the eastern side of the Atlantic Ocean and a Master Degree in Leaf Shape Patterns would be more acceptable to a company than a 45 year old 15000 hour wide body pilot who has flown throughout the world?
I take solice in the fact thats its an HR issue and that if pilots were doing the hiring the 15000 hour guys would be in class from Day1. Thats just my opinion, however as my wife says, Im usually wrong…...
I can tell you don't have a Masters degree because you are capable of clear writing and sensible thinking. Bravo, and I would fly with you through the gates of Hell.
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Old 07-04-2014, 05:51 PM
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I realize UPS is an overnight delivery company.... Basic question: as a newhire flying domestic flights (if awarded), what % of your flying is back of the clock from midnight to 8am? Obviously a lot of flights during the day too, but what % at night after midnight?
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Old 07-04-2014, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FIT59 View Post
Either the IPA is inaccurate, or the APC website is inaccurate. I'll trust the IPA website.
I assume his post references my retirement numbers. Those came off the IPA site for scheduled retirements. 28 is what is listed.

@Fetzervalve- as a new hire expect it all to be approximately 0000Z show and on duty until 12Z. These are guesses as junior folks cold be doing AM turns. Show at 8Z until approximately 17z.
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Old 07-04-2014, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Fetzervalve View Post
I realize UPS is an overnight delivery company.... Basic question: as a newhire flying domestic flights (if awarded), what % of your flying is back of the clock from midnight to 8am? Obviously a lot of flights during the day too, but what % at night after midnight?
If you're flying the domestic stuff I'd guess about 80% is backside of clock stuff. This is only a guess, haven't run the numbers.
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Old 07-04-2014, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Fetzervalve View Post
I realize UPS is an overnight delivery company.... Basic question: as a newhire flying domestic flights (if awarded), what % of your flying is back of the clock from midnight to 8am? Obviously a lot of flights during the day too, but what % at night after midnight?
You will fly a lot during the day unfortunately it's usually at the end of a 9 or 10 hours duty period starting at 9 the night before.

I am being humorish however this is a very true statement and something we see every week
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Old 07-04-2014, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Fetzervalve View Post
I realize UPS is an overnight delivery company.... Basic question: as a newhire flying domestic flights (if awarded), what % of your flying is back of the clock from midnight to 8am? Obviously a lot of flights during the day too, but what % at night after midnight?
Yeah, but there's really no weather at night to deal with, so it's pretty easy flying.
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Old 07-05-2014, 11:55 AM
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I've done the night stuff in a small piston and I liked it. Can't be worse than this regional stuff doing a trip with all 2300 finishes and then the next trip all 5 am shows on the east coast!
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Old 07-05-2014, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by gptjjbmj View Post
I've done the night stuff in a small piston and I liked it. Can't be worse than this regional stuff doing a trip with all 2300 finishes and then the next trip all 5 am shows on the east coast!
Yes is can, Trust me!!!
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Old 07-06-2014, 05:31 AM
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Two points,
The discrepency in the UPS and IPA retirement numbers can be expained by guys taking early retirement instead of going to age 65.

Fetzervalve,
Almost all my buds at the pax airlines fly wide-body international flights because thats where the big money is. Guess what, they fly primarily at night. Just something to think about. They also get to watch movies and eat ice cream sundaes in first class on their rest breaks, but I digress.
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Originally Posted by Vito View Post
Two points,
The discrepency in the UPS and IPA retirement numbers can be expained by guys taking early retirement instead of going to age 65.

Fetzervalve,
Almost all my buds at the pax airlines fly wide-body international flights because thats where the big money is. Guess what, they fly primarily at night. Just something to think about. They also get to watch movies and eat ice cream sundaes in first class on their rest breaks, but I digress.
...and listen to the lav door get slammed, the food carriers doors get slammed and listen to the senior mama F/As complain about vet bills for their cats....
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