FDX - Fatality at MEM Hub
07-05-2014, 06:45 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by TipTip35
The reflective vest obviously isn't going to save you if you get hit. I think the idea is that increases your visibility so that the tug driver, fuel truck, loader and everyone else has a better chance of seeing you and AVOIDING you. It's just one part of the overall safety program...
I'm in the camp that is surprised someone isn't seriously hurt every night...or at least every week. Very sorry to hear about the loss of this young man. Condolences to his family
I'm in the camp that is surprised someone isn't seriously hurt every night...or at least every week. Very sorry to hear about the loss of this young man. Condolences to his family
You must be AirFarce.
07-05-2014, 09:51 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Yep a vest isn't going to keep you safe
Last edited by Need4Speed; 07-05-2014 at 10:32 AM.
07-05-2014, 11:28 AM
#25
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The vests are not an OSHA requirement, nor were they strictly an AFOSH requirement (weren't required on well lit ramps)
People drive into airplanes, drivers hit people with reflective garments frequently. I would prefer to skip having another garment to carry and keep my cranium on a swivel versus relying on the vest to keep me safe
Shoot, people hit highway workers wearing vests in posted areas. People hit cop cars with rollers on.
Flight line, sidewalks, roadways, I try to keep some SA and an idea of which way to jump
People drive into airplanes, drivers hit people with reflective garments frequently. I would prefer to skip having another garment to carry and keep my cranium on a swivel versus relying on the vest to keep me safe
Shoot, people hit highway workers wearing vests in posted areas. People hit cop cars with rollers on.
Flight line, sidewalks, roadways, I try to keep some SA and an idea of which way to jump
07-05-2014, 02:45 PM
#27
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Condolences to the family and friends of Mr Warren.
Back in my youth when working the PM ramp at ATLR I remember sitting topside in gate 1 watching the chaos at close out times. 90% of my time I was a tug driver there and zipped around and through the traffic as fast as the governer would let me. Of course, being 18 or 19 years old and invincible, no danger was present. Then one night, I wasn't feeling well and asked to work on the main deck pushing cans instead if driving, and from up there I really saw how close being crushed by a can or having a limb broken was on a nightly basis. After being promoted to a ramp agent there, I really got the pressure. Delays were unacceptable. Every box had to make that flight. By the way, you have to do it with less people than you had last year and expect packages to arrive at the airport later. I've never had a more stressful job than working as a ramp agent loading planes there. MEM multiples this a million times. I also remember walking from the old jumpseat rea (the double wide trailer) to the buffeteria thinking I was going to die before I got there.
I witnessed a pilot get mowed down by our crew van driver one night ( a person who had no business driving but he was the light duty employee of the month). His responses after knocking the captain out "he just came out of nowhere!" (Out on the open concrete expanse) and "the other pilot jumped out of the way, I don't know why he didn't". Even better, the crew on a MEM bound 727 asking (after being delayed 45mins or so) if the paramedics could move him so they could go ahead and depart.
Moral of the story, be careful. You've got a lot of "kids", who are not generally known for making good decisions behind the wheel, hauling tons of stuff at full speed because they have to make an on time dept. after the plane departs we'll talk about safety.
Back in my youth when working the PM ramp at ATLR I remember sitting topside in gate 1 watching the chaos at close out times. 90% of my time I was a tug driver there and zipped around and through the traffic as fast as the governer would let me. Of course, being 18 or 19 years old and invincible, no danger was present. Then one night, I wasn't feeling well and asked to work on the main deck pushing cans instead if driving, and from up there I really saw how close being crushed by a can or having a limb broken was on a nightly basis. After being promoted to a ramp agent there, I really got the pressure. Delays were unacceptable. Every box had to make that flight. By the way, you have to do it with less people than you had last year and expect packages to arrive at the airport later. I've never had a more stressful job than working as a ramp agent loading planes there. MEM multiples this a million times. I also remember walking from the old jumpseat rea (the double wide trailer) to the buffeteria thinking I was going to die before I got there.
I witnessed a pilot get mowed down by our crew van driver one night ( a person who had no business driving but he was the light duty employee of the month). His responses after knocking the captain out "he just came out of nowhere!" (Out on the open concrete expanse) and "the other pilot jumped out of the way, I don't know why he didn't". Even better, the crew on a MEM bound 727 asking (after being delayed 45mins or so) if the paramedics could move him so they could go ahead and depart.
Moral of the story, be careful. You've got a lot of "kids", who are not generally known for making good decisions behind the wheel, hauling tons of stuff at full speed because they have to make an on time dept. after the plane departs we'll talk about safety.
07-05-2014, 07:58 PM
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If this had been a pilot who died, I don't think a lot of these comments would be made on the same thread. Let's show some respect for our fallen fellow employee. If you want to make smart remarks about vests, start another thread.
07-06-2014, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Overnitefr8
If this had been a pilot who died, I don't think a lot of these comments would be made on the same thread. Let's show some respect for our fallen fellow employee. If you want to make smart remarks about vests, start another thread.
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