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Old 08-25-2014, 10:21 AM
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Where does this information display come from?
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FlightAware - Flight Tracker / Flight Status / Flight Tracking
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Old 08-25-2014, 11:19 AM
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I see the emoji. I'm not a black helo conspirist and neither do I worry that any discussion about layovers, flights, etc give aid and comfort to the enemy!

It was a straight-up question, only as I had never seen that website before.

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Actually there are several out and backs on the Bus this afternoon. They are extra pairings and don't happen often but they do happen.

So are you saying that you couldn't make it to work on time and because management wouldn't be flexible with you that you dropped a MLA notification?
I can see his point management did not want to negotiate, their loss. For fun you should see how much they want to negotiate when they are drafting.
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I can see his point management did not want to negotiate, their loss. For fun you should see how much they want to negotiate when they are drafting.
My post wasn't meant as a comment. I was just wanted to see if I understood his post correctly.
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It was a straight-up question, only as I had never seen that website before.

You're on an airline pilot forum and you've never heard of FlightAware?
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Old 08-25-2014, 01:46 PM
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FlightAware ...

I'm an airline pilot and I'm on this forum - not much but enough. 15+ years at FDX and I have never heard about it. Never needed it, never seen it, been doing fine without it.

Enlighten me to my apparent ignorance.
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Old 08-27-2014, 11:00 AM
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From my research over the years, this is the best answer I can give you:

USERRA, like our contract, is only as good as the company wants to give you--unless you want to grieve it or go to DOL over it. It's hard to fight the USERRA battle by yourself, but that's what you have to do: research and call in the DOL when warranted. The union gives very little help (or at least they did in past years) with USERRA issues. So, if the company says they gave you 5 of years because that's all they had to do, you have to pursue any issues you have with ESGR, DOL, etc, if your contact with the company doesn't produce a satisfactory result for you.

Many people, myself included, got a DSA bump-up for our time away. Some PMs to me and posts on these forums show that some people haven't gotten any DSA bump-up on their return. I can't figure out the rhyme or reason why some people seem to have been treated differently. It seems the more recent Mil Leave long term guys/gals may have not been getting it?

What most people have experienced from what I've heard over the past decade plus (when they got a DSA bump-up on return at all) is the company will take your usage the previous 12 months and use that as the basis of your bump-up. For example, in the prior 12 months to your long-term MLA, if you used half your sick leave, then went out on long-term MLA for 4 years, you would get 36*4 as your DSA bump-up. If you used no sick leave before you went out for 4 years, you would get 72*4, and if you had the misfortune to break a leg and were out for 72 hours in the 12 months before you went on long term MLA, then you got nothing as a bump-up on return.

Some general USERRA information (lots of nuances and caveats I could add, but not for this particular post!): USERRA generally protects perquisites of seniority. Thus, when you return from long-term MLA you get things "fixed" that are based on definite progress you would have made if you hadn't been gone. You get to select any seat/plane you could have held on any bid while you were gone (escalator principle--you tell them, they don't tell you what you want to come back on, they have to start your pay within two weeks of your return), you get pension make up (the 7% contribution), you come back with all years counted towards pay status (left on 4th year pay, were out 4 years, you now are on 8th year pay), you are on 8th year vacation earnings, you get to make up any 401(k) contributions you desire (you get 5 times the period you were gone, max of 5 years to make up any 401(k) you desire--so don't pass up company $500 match, make sure you put in at least $500 each year you were gone to get the free company money match--contact Vanguard), etc. In general, you can also be treated no worse than any other form of leave at the company. So if personal leave, jury duty leave, disability leave, etc provides a benefit, you must receive at least the same benefit while on a leave of absence due to military leave.

But, RSA and Vacation earnings are generally not held to be perquisites of seniority. (Case law is pretty clear on this.) Most airlines (AA excepted) don't get any vacation or RSA/DSA modification on their return. FedEx is an exception though for one simple reason: when you have over 686 hours, those excess hours go into your retirement. This is the reason that FedEx HAS to make up DSA for the time you were gone. USERRA is very clear that it protects all forms of retirement. (Let's hope we never negotiate away this 686 hours spill over into retirement because if we do, then DSA bump-up will no longer apply to returning military leave FedEx pilots.) Vacation doesn't accrue while you're away. In fact, vacation is earned in arrears, so you earn your vacation for 2015 by working in 2014--so the returning military leave pilot may have no vacation depending on how long their military leave was.

I don't understand how FedEx can claim 5 years is all they have to make up when they've agreed that some make-up is required. The 5 year limit is a USERRA limit on duty whereby the member is protected by the law. But, there are exceptions on the time limit for national emergencies, contingencies, etc. Most of the long term duty post 9/11 was exempt from the 5 year limit, which it seems clear from your post that you know this being away for 7 years. But, it makes no sense that all FedEx will "reimburse" you is 5 years...the law makes no limit on benefits, it just says you're protected for a max of 5 years with exceptions. I would point out the line on your DD214 or orders which state, "this duty is exempt from Title xx, USC..." and maybe this would prod FedEx legal to realize that you were exempt from the 5 year limit, so the process of making you whole should account for the entire 7 years. They are clearly wrong to limit it to 5 years, once they've agreed to pay something--it has to be the entire 7 (as long as the 2 additional years were exempt from the USERRA limits). I would press to test on this issue as they're clearly wrong.

As to the last item of how can a company calculate pay, sick hours, etc while a pilot is gone. USERRA provides two general methods. The first is when your pay or benefits are definite (a salaried employee for example). This first case is easy...you get the definite amount. The second method permitted is a company can use the prior 12 months to calculate values. In this case, FedEx has been using your usage of the prior 12 months of RSA to base their DSA bump-up. I have had pilots PM me that they've talked to DOL and they feel that since sick hours is a definite amount of 72 hours per year, that's what pilots should get. The only way to establish the case for everyone's benefit is to proceed with a complaint to DOL/Vets. Someone will have to stand tall and press DOL to take the case.

Who will that someone be?
A guy in my old unit recently said that VETs (DOL) told him that the company's calculation of sick is not correct, and that it should be full... per the fact that the company is paying out sick to some upon return.

He also said the 2011 contract signing bonus was in their opinion (VETS) a no-brainer. I have no idea how they are getting around that.

Previously, I have seen vacation brought up in these threads since the CBA does address a leave of absence (Workers Comp) that receives it. VETs said that issue would be iffy as Workers Comp LOA may not apply to the USERRA premise that MLOA be treated like other LOAs when it comes to benefits.

I wish I had some insight on B-Fund from VETs. In SteveA's case, I can't imagine the company winning that grievance. He should be receiving B-Fund calculations for his entire time away.

Maybe our ALPA Mil Affairs Rep is under a name here... maybe it is you Raptor, as you do bring a wealth of excellent information to this forum. Saying that, it would be nice if our ALPA rep would be more engaging on these multiple issues. I understand there is a limit to what the Union can do, but providing advice, insight, and messages is basically free. I have heard from many mil guys at FedEx that state getting return emails/calls from our current Mil rep is very difficult and at times non-existent. I hope that is not true.

I am no lawyer, won't pretend to be one, but I imagine this could get very interesting if someone or some people group up to file a complaint/s. I have heard there is interest, but a general fear of company attribution may be what is keeping them from pulling the trigger.
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Old 08-27-2014, 01:40 PM
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I'm not the union rep, and I doubt any union rep could really post here because of the legal review needed. I think both Albie and TonyC were "muzzled" from making substantive posts while they were in union positions?

UPS pilots got their contract signing bonus and many other things fixed for their military pilots because their union helped facilitate it in conjunction with Capt Wright of ROA essentially.

The AA Pilots won their vacation issues for mil leave because of a law suit, I believe. The UA pilots recently won a record settlement from UAL. FedEx does so many things that are clearly wrong with their interpretations of military leave/USERRA that I sometimes wonder if it's done on purpose? I think this as some stuff is so clear that the lawyers would have to be incompetent to make those interpretations...and FedEx clearly doesn't have incompetent lawyers!

I don't know what the answer is, but I think there will eventually be enough angry mil leave pilots that something will happen. Will it be union sponsored, DOL complaint driven, or class action driven? It will be interesting to speculate.

What do you guys think?
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Old 08-27-2014, 01:45 PM
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Oh, and one mistake I'd like to clear up:

A returning long term (over 30 days) mil leave person has 3 times the period they were gone to a max of 5 years, to make up any retirement/401 (k) contributions. (I'd previously said 5 times the length of time they were gone.)
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