BigBlue

Nothing insulting whatsoever about kindly offering them an alternative option. If he's sick of his seniority position after 9 years then the alternative is to get hired by a legacy and he'll have 3 times as many pilots junior to him after 1 year than he has now at UPS after 9 years. The point is that no job is perfect. We DEFINITELY have our issues just like everyone else. I'm one of the most junior pilots at UPS and I've worked at a legacy ALPA carrier and EVERY pilot group has their issues. Does it **** me off that UPS hires direct entry CA's? ABSOLUTELY!!!! Do I want better & safer schedules? ABSOLUTELY! Lithium batter carriage restrictions? ABSOLUTELY! These and other issues brought up are certainly important to us at UPS. If given the choice, however, between having an ALPA MEC fight the company for me or the IPA, I'd choose the IPA 1,000 times out of 1,000. No, they're not perfect, but neither is any other union and especially those that are nationally represented. One thing I do know is that PBS is a no go for me and it should be for all of us. It only benefits the company and I think we all agree that the company gets enough out of us as it is. The best thing our pilot group can do is to be patient and remain UNITED. It benefits us if AA and DAL get their contract first. What we do is more dangerous on many levels (not a shot a PAX carriers, just my opinion) and we can use those contracts for leverage. For those reasons I'll remain united with my IPA brothers and sisters, be patient, and let my EB speak for me.

I understand the frustrations as I share many of them as well but there are other options if you truly can't take it here anymore. Just remember, the grass is never greener, only a little browner.

Cheers!

UPSFO4LIFE

I don't really think anyone is being insulted. I also not not heard anyone here say there are no problems at UPS. We have MAJOR issues here right now that need serious attention. Things are going to get a lot worse here until we get a better contract. I do believe this pilot group will see to it, to vote on something that improves our QOL in a major way.

I also believe UPS is not for everyone. I keep hearing how great Delta, United, SW, AA and others are, and that's great, but then I'll ask if they have applied and the answer is almost always no. It may be hard to get on at Delta, but you never know if you never apply.

I'm not a senior Captain that makes 350k. Been here 9.5 years, summer vacation, good pay and benefits, many fatigue calls, no sick check in Jan. and I think this is an OK place to work if you expect ZERO from the company.

busdriver12

"Nothing insulting whatsoever about kindly offering them an alternative option."

Nah, have to disagree with you there, unless you are a hiring manager for another airline, offering him an interview. But if you're another pilot with nothing to offer but the advice of, "If you don't like it, quit and go elsewhere," you're really just telling someone to take their complaints and stick them up their a$$.

For many people, unfortunately, there isn't anywhere else to go. Too few jobs, too many pilots. Many of us wouldn't even get a job at our current airline, if we had to interview again, right now. We probably wouldn't even get the call.

UPSFO4LIFE

You had me until I saw Go Cats.

Brand X

Senior copilot is pretty good too!

UPSFO4LIFE

Don't agree. Like I said before, I have personally talked to several junior FO's about this and ever time I ask if they have applied somewhere else, they say NO. How do you know you can't get a job somewhere else if you don't try. I can't say for sure, but I may have tried to leave this place if I had been screwed around with like the bottom 300. The key word in try.

UPSFO4LIFE

I'm not even top 100 on my seat. Would not even be called close to senior.

fireman0174

I don't believe your buddy lost his pension, did he? I thought the defined benefit was "frozen"?

I recall the PBGC making a "stand" about American wanting to dump the A plan and they backed off. Of course your buddy's A plan was certainly impacted, no argument there.

Or am I wrong? I'll admit I was wrong . . . . once. (Unless you ask my wife).

BigBlue

haha. Fair enough

109% IPA

package puppy

PBS has some great potential "IF" it is written with proper rules. Rules that UPS would never agree to. With or without those rules PBS stands a zero chance of getting ratified here. UPS has only themselves to blame for that.