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Old 01-09-2015, 04:53 AM   #1  
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Default FDX End of trip deviations & Pairing Adjust

Anyone remember the FCIF or whatever where end of trip deviations were adjusted so that the flight information matched the pairing? It was my understanding that is why when there was more than one leg at the end of a pairing that you would deviate on, you could just deviate on one and that CRS would adjust your pairing if in fact there was a delay or cancellation on either leg.

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Anyone remember the FCIF or whatever where end of trip deviations were adjusted so that the flight information matched the pairing? It was my understanding that is why when there was more than one leg at the end of a pairing that you would deviate on, you could just deviate on one and that CRS would adjust your pairing if in fact there was a delay or cancellation on either leg.

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HTML version of the contract under the flight ops section of the web site might give you want you're looking for. There are links on the side to applicable FCIFs and grievance settlements.

We can deviate individual legs of a multi-leg DH. If you're deviating and not actually on the flight(s) that are delayed or cancelled, I don't think you can't get your pairing rebuilt. It used to be that if at least one crewmember stayed on the scheduled and had delays/cnx, then CRS would rebuild the pairing and everyone would get paid, even if they deviated.

Now CRS just splits the pairing and rebuilds it just for the pilot who stayed on schedule.
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HTML version of the contract under the flight ops section of the web site might give you want you're looking for. There are links on the side to applicable FCIFs and grievance settlements.

We can deviate individual legs of a multi-leg DH. If you're deviating and not actually on the flight(s) that are delayed or cancelled, I don't think you can't get your pairing rebuilt. It used to be that if at least one crewmember stayed on the scheduled and had delays/cnx, then CRS would rebuild the pairing and everyone would get paid, even if they deviated.

Now CRS just splits the pairing and rebuilds it just for the pilot who stayed on schedule.
The other pilot did not deviate but I was certain that the pairing was rebuilt regardless if both or just one, otherwise there wouldn't be any reason to deviate. Just call G Travel and cancel the pairing d/h flight; right?
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The other pilot did not deviate but I was certain that the pairing was rebuilt regardless if both or just one, otherwise there wouldn't be any reason to deviate. Just call G Travel and cancel the pairing d/h flight; right?
I'm assuming you're referring to officially deviating in VIPS in the underlined section above?

Technically, one of the main reasons we do that is we are contractually required to do so in 8.C.1.h:
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A pilot shall notify the Company of his deviation from a scheduled deadhead at the end of a trip through VIPS:

I know there are some reasons (keeping scheduled GT, for example) that some pilots use the technique you mention, however, it's definitely not IAW the CBA.

Not officially deviating (but not actually flying on the scheduled DH either) and then attempting to get extra pay because the flight you weren't on had issues is probably crossing an ethical line, IMO. Unless, you have one pilot stay as scheduled and CRS rebuilds it for you both as previously mentioned.
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FYI:

CRS is canceling GT on the B/E DH even if no one has deviated. They saw one had a JS RSV back to base and the other a dev ticket home. They will get the GT back for you on request.

Even if both have deviated on the B/E DH, they will rebuild it if you arrive late and layover is not long enough before scheduled DH (change pairing to later DH)
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CRS is canceling GT on the B/E DH even if no one has deviated. They saw one had a JS RSV back to base and the other a dev ticket home.
I guess CRS has some extra time on their hands if they are going to the trouble of checking individual pilot's JS and airline ticket bookings.

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Even if both have deviated on the B/E DH, they will rebuild it if you arrive late and layover is not long enough before scheduled DH (change pairing to later DH)
I'm a little confused. Are you referring to a two leg international DH? (say, HKG-LAX layover LAX-MEM)
The pilots deviate from HKG-LAX and then plan on taking the scheduled back to MEM? If so, a rebuild in the event of a delay into LAX and illegal layover seems like it would be correct in your scenario.

However, since the ability to deviate on just one of the two legs is relatively new, give the company some time to figure a way around it. I'm sure they'll try.

I don't think that was the scenario that Whale started this thread with though.
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Agree Adler. Additional B/E DH info. Just because both deviate, doesn't mean it won't be rebuilt. I was referencing a LAX-MEM DH back to base where the live leg to LAX got in late and now the layover time was not legal scheduling-wise.
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