FDXLAG

I dont think anyone is attacking you and there are no guarantees. There will be guys training off of the 75 to other airplanes, particularly after all the 76 seats are filled. We are just commenting on the Practice bid. Practice bids are almost always worthless. If you want to stay in the 75 more power to you, guys junior to you are really happy for you, and no one else (except maybe Jack Lewis) cares.

AnyMouse

Absolutely your and their right to choose. I'm merely expressing surprise at the number choosing to stay during the practice bid. And no, neither I nor anybody can guarantee anything regarding training dates and passover pay. However, this bid's FCIF mentions the critical nature of 757/767 simulator slots (a first in an FCIF), and the ALPA communication predicts long delays and passover pay for anyone trying to train out of the 757 right seat. I'm just reacting to that info, not making anything up and not guaranteeing any particular outcome. Good luck on whatever choice you make!

FXDX

Lag I'm not sure what percentage bidding has to do with your theory. There percentage bidding only determines where you will be at the END of the training letter, not WHEN you go to training. Doesn't matter if you bid 50% or 100%, if you are awarded the seat, you will train in seniority order (at least in theory).

In order to get passover pay 3 things must happen. 1. You bid a seat/domicile and hold it. 2. The company trains somebody junior before you (that junior pilot had to have bid that exact same seat/domicile on the same or subsequent bid), AND 3. that pilot's training delays your activation date.

Just because you bid something at a certain percentage doesn't mean you will get passover pay, you have to have been awarded that seat. So if you bid it at say 50% and you would come out at 75%, you didn't hold the seat, so no passover regardless of whether they train somebody junior to you first. You need to be awarded the seat, not just have bid for it.

So if you bid all those wide body seats and hold one of them (regardless of what percentage you bid it) you will be scheduled to train in seniority order, OR the company will pay whatever passover is generated from their decision. Period. You have no control really over when you go to training and the company will simply pay people as if they trained in order of seniority. Frustrating to say the least.

Percentage bidding will only determine if you get the award, and if you don't get the award, you won't get passover.

The only adage that really makes sense is to bid what you want to (eventually) fly because after the award you hand your schedule over to the training folks to do with as they please.

FDXLAG

I dont think I said anything different. You are correct. My point was you dont have to bid them all at 100% to be eligible. You just have to hold the seat. Percentage bidding is pure QOL.

Underdog

and don't forget, 4. We (MEC) don't agree to any sort of letter of agreement, as in the past, which allows the company to establish a "virtual training date".....

iarapilot

Now stop it Dog!

Albief15

Uh...dudes....I'm not sure what you think is right besides a VTL. My VTL spot didn't delay my passover...as a matter of fact I was getting paid (retroactively) for A300 captain while still checking out in the right seat of the MD11...that I traded up to get! I was on the FEPP list probably longer than anyone....5 years, 10 months, 4 days.

You know what I have to say to all those guys who worked on the settlement? "Thank you...no really....THANK YOU!" The bid closed that spring...I started getting paid in December. It would have been great to have gotten the pay from the day the bid closed, but if I had gone to A300 Capt school it would have likely been 12-18 months before I got the pay anyway. I'm not sure in my case that I didn't come out several months ahead on the deal. YMMV. Me? I'm buying those lawyers drinks and dinner every chance I can...

Underdog

I'm really glad it worked for you. It delayed others more than 2 years!

Overnitefr8

And others lost their WB CA pay cause if they had bid HKG they would have actually held it and had to go immediately.

USMCFDX

Yep there was a sweet spot where it actually $paid$ to be a bit junior.