fly2ski

Retro pay.... No vote here if they try to sell us on a signing bonus...................

CactusCrew

Another problem, what happens after a failed TA ?

So your NC really has to know its membership to get it right the 1st time.

I've been through the failed TA once before. The arbitrator was basically annoyed at both sides for being out of touch with the pilot group.

But no one is going to go back and re-write entire sections. Slight improvements were made to the major money sections, and what do you know, it ratifies.

In some ways the WHOLE process is flawed. Nothing we do/deliver is so important to the country that our contracts need to be RLA amendable and continue indefinitely to protect the vital interests of the nation like the railroads once did. But I digress !

busdriver12

From the information that we have received so far, it sounds like many sections have been improved for the pilot group. The big money sections sound like the issue, at this point. Of course, there are always people who are single issue voters, over something minor, but I don't think that is that majority. But yeah, what happens if it doesn't pass? I guess it gets ugly.

I like your avatar, by the way. That is one nice looking dog.

YYESIAV8

So, "My Negotiating Committee Speaks For Me" means what?

Speaks for me until I don't like what they say?

I'm not saying we abdicate our rights/responsibility to review and vote, but it is a little hypocritical to say they speak for us, then complain when they try to "convince" us to support what they negotiated for us.

Am I the only one who sees the irony here/

pilot141

No rebellion here...yet.

We have not seen what the company presented. More importantly, we have not seen OUR response. I'm fairly sure that the NC knows what will tick us off, so they will avoid that.

No need to torch the NC guys when they have not even said anything...

MaxKts

It's negotiations! The negotiating committee can't dictate to the company what is acceptable - they present what we are asking for. The final result is usually somewhere in between.

The company's job is to make 50% + 1 of us happy!

Our negotiating committee is there to try and keep 100% of us happy!

If we as a group vote down what was agreed to between the comany and our negotiating committee does not mean the negotiating committee was out of touch, it only means that the company under estimated what we would accept!

If the TA fails it means the company failed not our negotiating committee.

My Negotiating Committee Speaks for ME is still valid. A failed TA means the company wasn't listening!

FDXLAG

More important than my negotiating committee speaks for me (which has to do with Company-Union communications) is "My Union Works For Me". You see I talk to the Union and the Union talks to the company. Once a TA is reached my unions primary focus should be listening to me not selling me. Who works for whom?

matty

Amen...

More characters needed...so I type for fun!

dckozak

All of these comments reflect a rational, thoughtful view how we interact with our union and how that relationship interfaces with the company. No one truly believes Fedex will make this crew force totally happy; if they did they would, by their own (internal) omission, have failed to look out for the organizations interests and provided a windfall for one employee group at the expense of others groups, shareholders, and our customers.

So that leaves some portion of the crew force (50% -1 ) who have an axe to grind of the deferences of the TA. If your feel that way, your way more likely to use a public forum to vent your displeasure than if you at happy (or at least not so un happy as to vote no). We are seeing this in real time with the Delta pilots and their TA. Maybe they (collectively) have too big an expectation of what their NC/MEC can deliver. Maybe their MEC underestimated the wishes of their pilots. Or maybe a very vocal minority of Delta pilots, is really, really ****ed and are members of APC.

I hope for their sake they are either a very small group relative to the voting pilot group or are a very sizable majority.

Jetjok

Great comments all! With the possible exception of: "Our negotiating committee is there to try and keep 100% of us happy!", because only a negotiating committee that was truly deranged would have as a goal, to keep 100% of its group happy. A total impossibility, and they know it. I believe their goal is to get the best TA that they can, that will then induce a majority of pilots to vote YES. Remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder (said the farmer kissing the cow.)