I think the actual number of days working/training are still few compared to other programs. The problem is lack of sims, jets and instructors is stretching out the program. 3 1/2 weeks to do a one day differences class and two legs for SLF for moving from 75 to 76 or switching from IND to MEM in 76 seems like a long time.

 

Thanks for the advice guys!

Is there still a LCA shortage? Expect a long IOE?

 

It's basically all the same LCA group for the 757, MEM/IND/HKG 767

 

Not sure when you start, but when I tried to schedule an FTD to learn my flows after the ESV it was a 2 week wait ! I'll PM you the email address so you can try and book the FTD for the weekend before you start the Pro phase. It's absolutely ridiculous that we work for a fortune 500 company and the only way to learn your flows is a paper tiger !!!

Btw you are expected to know your flows before Pro 1

 

The cockpit app available for the iPad, while no substitute for a live FTD, is a nice product.

The program needs some money, however. A cockpit trainer would be huge. Enough sim time to not do initial training at 0400 with a 0200 brief. And the lack of a 767 sim is just amazing to me. There is a big difference between "legal", "effective", and "excellent". I thought the training in the MD11 was excellent across the board when I did it in 2008. I'd like a similar standard of excellence (or better) in the 75/76. The people are outstanding, but they need more resources…yesterday.

 

Agreed, MD-11 had more resources than I could use even back in 2002. The 75/76 program is being held together with "high speed tape" and "bailer twine". The simfinity stuff is great but there is no substitute for pushing the actual buttons. Pro instructors are coming in on their days off and working after hours to help get students through, I can't believe what some of these guys are doing to help off the clock. We had a Pro event from 7:30am until 1:30pm then flipped to a 2am show for a 4-8am event.....12hrs off to go over the last event, study for the next, and "Rest". It was a total waste of time.

 

And both seats. Expect to seat swap every event.

 

Dry erase board, 4 colored markers and a wooden Indian in a Swiss Air classroom in Zurich were all the MD11 resources I had available in '97. Our LMS/CMI/CBT (whatever we called it then) had been decertified by the FAA, and I had to do all of Swiss Air's, about 60-70 hrs worth, including fast clicking through the entertainment systems and FA stations.

 

I remember that well,...also remember being told at the time that we had a 48% failure rate in the right seat and a little over 24% in the left one. Fun times.
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I'm the same generation as those old guys but I went to MD-11 training a few months before them. We had Ground School and CMI at McDonnell Douglas in Long Beach ... we subsequently went to Simulator Training at Finnair in Helsinki (with FedEx Instructors).

- About the time I finished IOE, the FAA decertified FedEx's MD-11 CMI program (we had done McD computer training and didn't incur the wrath of the FAA).

- Interesting tour of the MD-11 assembly line during the systems portion of our training

- We were lucky enough to get a McDonnell Instructor that actually bothered to learn the FedEx procedures. Systems questions were frequently answered with, "Here's how FedEx says I'm supposed to answer that question ... now let me teach you how the system was designed to be used!"

- On the rare occasion that our instructor couldn't answer a system question, at the next break he would walk across the hall and speak to the Engineers that actually designed and built the airplane. He would sometimes come back with the airplane blue-print diagrams saying, "Here's the answer to your question and here's why that's the answer."

THAT WAS REALLY GOOD TRAINING!*?