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Old 07-01-2015, 03:25 PM
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... Everyone's different, with different priorities and perspectives, but if we don't want to discourage people from retiring at the Normal Retirement age , we can't turn a blind eye to the problem. If we don't fix it, we shouldn't complain about people hanging out 'til 65.
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So if we do not "remove an impediment to retirement" we are discouraging people from retiring? Good attempt at getting that mindset established as the norm! Inaction is not the same as an action! The precedent set by DW & BC "fixed their retirement" at the expense of the greater memberships should be rejected by all good union pilots.

I think many are for improving the retirement package as long as we all have the SAME retirement benefits!

This disunity among the pilots over the 25K has grown from the seed planted by DW & BC! While he touted not having a different retirement plan for new hires, he created an even worse problem by alienating those well established union pilots who were not 53 on 1 January 2007!
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Old 07-01-2015, 04:14 PM
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We are at a shirinking airline...or were, as we are finally hiring again.

year pilots loss

2013 4440 -101
2014 4288 -152
2015 4171 -117
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Old 07-01-2015, 04:38 PM
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... Hopefully, we can write a pro-rated benefit into the contract to preclude those from taking it and staying until 65 anyway.
Check the CBA Sec. 27.H.7.C

Not pro-rating the 25K was not an accident, or a lack of knowing what the future held. It was guaranteed!
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:19 PM
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+164 from last year.

+194 from date of hire.

Those are misleading as I was the caboose in Sep 12 at 4295. Now the total is 4171.

The important thing for me is the number of pilots below me has tripled since last year.
The numbers are even more misleading than that. Your numbers are flipped. You were 4592. I was 4583.
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CompetentFool View Post
Clutch how did you find your original seniority number? Maybe you just have it memorized?

Anyways, I'm up 126 numbers here. Seems like there were about 3,000 on the property when I was hired.
I just happened to remember...
Hired June 1990.
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:34 PM
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Is there a resource where we can view pilot birth date with the seniority list to project retirement seniority?


FYI: I moved up 163 numbers
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:35 PM
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The numbers are even more misleading than that. Your numbers are flipped. You were 4592. I was 4583.
Damn Chief...I should have known better and not done my fuzzy math in public
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:43 PM
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...Hopefully, we can write a pro-rated benefit into the contract to preclude those from taking it and staying until 65 anyway.
Now read Sec 27.I.7

CBA 2006 Retiree Healthcare actually encouraged pilots to stay!

The CBA established the post medicare plan for those who retire on or after 1 January 08 with VEBA contributions to offset the cost of retirement. The VEBA money used to offset the cost is the $3.2 million paid by the company (scope penalties obligated to be paid to the general membership by the CBA?), $40 Million paid by the company, and the $0.50/CH paid by active pilots. The senior pilots contribute little of their pay ($0.50/CH) compared to the junior, but still get to offset their healthcare cost from the VEBA ($43 million & $0.50/CH).

Then they sold the $25K HRA as "removing an impediment to retirement", to encourage them to retire by reducing the cost of retiring early. But the CBA explicitly states there is no pro-ration of the HRA. And Sec 27.I.7 allows the $25K HRA to pay the out of pocket expense not already covered by the junior who pay the $0.50/CH!

So FREE HEALTHCARE by staying until 65!

I am not against reducing healthcare costs. But not by robbing my union brothers and sisters!
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Originally Posted by CAVOK84 View Post
Is there a resource where we can view pilot birth date with the seniority list to project retirement seniority?


FYI: I moved up 163 numbers
Go to FedEx ALPA and sign in. Around the center of the page there is a tile labeled "seniority crystal ball". It will project your seniority every year until you retire.
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Old 07-01-2015, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Flying Boxes View Post
Now read Sec 27.I.7

CBA 2006 Retiree Healthcare actually encouraged pilots to stay!

The CBA established the post medicare plan for those who retire on or after 1 January 08 with VEBA contributions to offset the cost of retirement. The VEBA money used to offset the cost is the $3.2 million paid by the company (scope penalties obligated to be paid to the general membership by the CBA?), $40 Million paid by the company, and the $0.50/CH paid by active pilots. The senior pilots contribute little of their pay ($0.50/CH) compared to the junior, but still get to offset their healthcare cost from the VEBA ($43 million & $0.50/CH).

Then they sold the $25K HRA as "removing an impediment to retirement", to encourage them to retire by reducing the cost of retiring early. But the CBA explicitly states there is no pro-ration of the HRA. And Sec 27.I.7 allows the $25K HRA to pay the out of pocket expense not already covered by the junior who pay the $0.50/CH!

So FREE HEALTHCARE by staying until 65!

I am not against reducing healthcare costs. But not by robbing my union brothers and sisters!
You're talking about a lot of different animals there.

Post medicare plan...POST being the key word. The .50/hr VEBA we all pay. That is payable to all of us, even the new hires, and is used to offset the cost of medicare supplement plans. That happens when you reach age 65.

Lack of pro-ration? The 2006 contract was signed prior to the age 65 change. Yes, prior to that, some guys went to the back seat at age 60 and wrenched. But, the majority retired at age 60, prior to the age change.

I'm not making excuses for anyone...But, I don't think anyone knew when negotiating the 2006 contract that age 65 was going to happen. So, I assume pro-rating did not seem essential. But, in hindsight, I would say that pro-rating is certainly a no brainer in most people's eyes. Including mine.

As far as the age 53 on Jan 01, 2007 requirement. And, I may be wrong about this...But, I believe it is caused by accounting regulations and the timing of funding it. That's why it was suppose to be renegotiated each subsequent contract.
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