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Old 05-06-2019, 03:29 AM
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I was flying turbo props before I went to the CRJ then came back to the ATR and I will tell you what, CRJ training and type was easy. ATR was pretty tough. The electrical system is fun. ATR=All Them Relays. Sounds like you are in a type writer sometimes haha.
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Old 05-06-2019, 02:29 PM
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I was flying turbo props before I went to the CRJ then came back to the ATR and I will tell you what, CRJ training and type was easy. ATR was pretty tough. The electrical system is fun. ATR=All Them Relays. Sounds like you are in a type writer sometimes haha.

Empires ATR program has been known for a huge failure rate. Not good on the background check.
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Old 05-06-2019, 02:53 PM
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Accepted an offer for a FO position on the ATR, anyone have any advice or gouge for training they might be willing to share? Thanks.

Not recommended. There's a reason they always have openings. Not the company they used to be. Office and senior pilots leaving due to environment. ATR training program is terrible. Its typically had a huge failure rate, 90% not long ago, irregardless of background. In the past they sent guys to training for 2-3 months straight, away from home. That was Indoc, groundschool, simulator, landings, IOE, and the line, because of "the needs of the company"FYI if your not already a 121 guy expect to sit (Feeder) FO for 4-5 years not making any money and working a lot of very long days per month, but sitting mainly. You can upgrade in a year at a Regional. Plus the ATR is an antique. Ive heard guys come to Empire and watch friends go to a regional the same time and their friend is at a Major before they ever get out of the starving FO seat. Amateur bottom feeder operation these days. Lots of openings for a reason. Sad to see a once good company deteriorate under management

Director of Ops quit awhile ago
New 121 chief pilot quit
Director of training quit
Director of Safety had multiple rapid turnovers until current guy.
Dispatcher not happy
Senior pilots leaving
Don't get sick, don't have personal emergency
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Old 05-06-2019, 02:57 PM
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The ATR (so I've been told) is probably the hardest type rating you'll get.
Convair 580 would like to know your location

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without auto feather
what is this savagery

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there is this huge prop
laughs in 14' Hamilton Standard
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Old 05-06-2019, 04:14 PM
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Convair 580 would like to know your location



what is this savagery



laughs in 14' Hamilton Standard
Got a laugh out of me! Can they test you on a V1 cut with autofeather failure for the ATR type ride? Seems like that is a double failure that wouldn’t be tested. Maybe just a training event?
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Old 05-06-2019, 05:04 PM
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If you want west coast; look at Horizon, SkyWest, Compass, Mesa. Envoy if
Dallas. If you are starting your career you can read the posts above. Kudos to the guy who is doing research before training although probably should have done it before the interview.
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Old 05-06-2019, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbine driver View Post
Not recommended. There's a reason they always have openings. Not the company they used to be. Office and senior pilots leaving due to environment. ATR training program is terrible. Its typically had a huge failure rate, 90% not long ago, irregardless of background. In the past they sent guys to training for 2-3 months straight, away from home. That was Indoc, groundschool, simulator, landings, IOE, and the line, because of "the needs of the company"FYI if your not already a 121 guy expect to sit (Feeder) FO for 4-5 years not making any money and working a lot of very long days per month, but sitting mainly. You can upgrade in a year at a Regional. Plus the ATR is an antique. Ive heard guys come to Empire and watch friends go to a regional the same time and their friend is at a Major before they ever get out of the starving FO seat. Amateur bottom feeder operation these days. Lots of openings for a reason. Sad to see a once good company deteriorate under management

Director of Ops quit awhile ago
New 121 chief pilot quit
Director of training quit
Director of Safety had multiple rapid turnovers until current guy.
Dispatcher not happy
Senior pilots leaving
Don't get sick, don't have personal emergency
Beware of HR
I mean I guess for pilots who are used to new planes with glass the ATR would seem like an antique, but I actually fly really old airplanes and still have to fly IFR with crap steam gauges so the ATR seems like a step up for me.
But I agree if the majors is your goal you would be silly not to just go to a jet regional.
Thanks for the info anyway.
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Old 05-06-2019, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbine driver View Post
Not recommended. There's a reason they always have openings. Not the company they used to be. Office and senior pilots leaving due to environment. ATR training program is terrible. Its typically had a huge failure rate, 90% not long ago, irregardless of background. In the past they sent guys to training for 2-3 months straight, away from home. That was Indoc, groundschool, simulator, landings, IOE, and the line, because of "the needs of the company"FYI if your not already a 121 guy expect to sit (Feeder) FO for 4-5 years not making any money and working a lot of very long days per month, but sitting mainly. You can upgrade in a year at a Regional. Plus the ATR is an antique. Ive heard guys come to Empire and watch friends go to a regional the same time and their friend is at a Major before they ever get out of the starving FO seat. Amateur bottom feeder operation these days. Lots of openings for a reason. Sad to see a once good company deteriorate under management

Director of Ops quit awhile ago
New 121 chief pilot quit
Director of training quit
Director of Safety had multiple rapid turnovers until current guy.
Dispatcher not happy
Senior pilots leaving
Don't get sick, don't have personal emergency
Beware of HR
Absolutely correct.
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Old 05-07-2019, 12:47 AM
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Convair 580 would like to know your location
Im not sure I've ever met anyone that's flown one
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Old 05-07-2019, 12:59 AM
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I mean I guess for pilots who are used to new planes with glass the ATR would seem like an antique, but I actually fly really old airplanes and still have to fly IFR with crap steam gauges so the ATR seems like a step up for me.
But I agree if the majors is your goal you would be silly not to just go to a jet regional.
Thanks for the info anyway.
Ultimately does come down to the personal reasons for picking any job. What are your end goals, what QOL are you after, etc..

Yes, if your in an older plane then the ATR right now, it will be a step up, I can relate to that. Not a big one though, still has a 6 pack and some still just have an outdated GPS at best. But a lot a places now you can go straight into the E175 which is only what, like 30 years newer than most ATR??

Ive been told on the FedEx side the QOL is good since you can be home every day, but depending on your base, you may only be home a few hours during the day and sleeping in a hotel 5 nights a week.

I can also relate to taking a less than desirable job in order to not commute or move, so do whatever is best for you. Empire is not the best company around and probably (might be close) not the worst either.
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