I vote for this idea!!!!

Hopefully this will come to fruition and allow ABX to wean itself from the clutches of DHL and it might even spark the start of Airborne Express part II.

727574drvr check your pm's please.

Jim

Heard about 6 getting recalled for the whole deal...

That's just for ABX Air. ATI has been recalling too.

Hopefully something will come of it after the 4th quarter.

Just in time for Hete to clear the decks of the remaining furloughees and bring in new hires!

This thread reminds me of the time I fought to the death in the Breastriary in Nippopolis.

If Jeff Bezos read the book, "Changing How the World Does Business", he will avoid 75% of the pitfalls FedEx ran into in building the business.

Step one. Buy Politicians. Step two. But more Politicians.

Dude, you're cheesing out of your freaking mind right now...!

It's those damn rings. If you're gunna hang with Aerosmith, just gotta have them.

I am cautiously optimistic.

Same. I'm very interested to what, if anything, unfolds over the next six months. I just had an Amazon truck deliver two packages to me, on a Sunday, with Amazon employees... An airline would be a logical (expensive) next step.

"curse your rocking ***s" :D

A 3rd/4th quarter short-term ramp-up in cargo operations?

Has anyone considered the possibility they're just running their own temporary peak-season ACMI backbone to ensure their delivery times?

Like I said I am cautiously optimistic. They're calling the 4th quarter sort a test. ATSG didn't do any flying for Aerosmith in the 3rd quarter.

this may slow down some plans....
Amazon, which has rapidly built a network of on-demand workers for its Prime Now service, now faces a lawsuit over how those workers are treated. The action potentially thrusts Amazon (NASDAQ:AMZN) into the center of a debate roiling Silicon Valley over whether on-demand workers should be treated as employees or independent contractors

Same issue with Uber.

I can understand a belief system based purely on a bizarre premise, but one must consider the physical limitations, short of buying UPS and FEDX this is impossible. The facts can't support your misplaced faith.

Yes, he is and he doesn't even know it.

Plans are not FACTs. FedEx had "plans" to buy A380s. It wasn't a rumor, just a plan. Declarative statements don't make ideas any more real. You can't create a FedEx or UPS out of bits of code and a mobile app. It takes trained people, huge infrastructure and time. Two years won't do it.

You work for Amazon? Doing what? This most likely: My gruelling day as an Amazon Mechanical Turk

My Sunday Amazon Prime order was delivered by a guy in a USPS van today.

Drinking Cool-aid
 

He is just very excited to be part of something new and wants to build anticipation to recruit the best pilots for prime air. I didn't take it as an insult. But it will be a big gamble for the pilots who do go there at at time with record hiring at established airlines with good pay and benefits. Will Bezos match that?

Sounds like more Bezos ego, than good business plan.

It's not a gamble if those airlines aren't hiring you. If offered both however... Yes. Again, all theoretical.

The first post makes it sound like Amazon will be operating their own airline but later posts indicate it may be starting as an ACMI service from ABX, etc. Who's to say that's not all it ever is, ACMI or CMI.

Amazon
 

If they get to use the coolest call sign ever... "Aerosmith", I'm All In!!
Woo Hoo!! :p :D

And how did UPS start?

Ups airline was created when there were no cell phones smart tv Google Facebook Twitter and so on . you can't simply reinvent wheel from 1987 in 2015. if you don't belive me go ask Eastern and pan am guys.

Yeah, those Amazon guys aren't very business savy. They don't know how to use cutting edge technology, like the copier or fax machines. That Interweb thing is just a flash in the pan. I'm backing up all of my data on wax cylinders.

I wish Amazon Prime Air the best of luck and hope their pilots wait for UPS to settle with IPA before they come to terms. You don't want a piddling contract like FDX.

This looks like a good way to turn $90 Billion into $45 Billion.

Of all the things in the world to invest in, airlines aren't historically a great choice.

Why would you take a great money printing operation and expose it to fuel prices, terrorism, FAA, ICAO, weather, etc? As it runs now, they are able to pass all blame and risk in those areas on.

Pipe

They won't. What you'll see is Amazon going the ACMI or CMI route. It will be like DHL on steroids. Amazon will pit one contractor vs. another to pressure them to continually lower their costs.

Given Bezos is such a highly regarded "progressive", he will of course welcome unions and offer those handling his product THE best compensation and benefit packages....right?:rolleyes:

He will demand Part 117 for all!

Get ready for FDX plus all you ACMI guys!

A portfolio of contractors will give Amazon the flexibility needed to take on FedEx and UPS.

And seeing how swell Bezos is, offer top pay and benefits...out of his own pocket!

Wow...maybe I'll quit and sign up!

Yeah, this ain't 1911; who does Sam Walton think he is, going head to head with the mighty F.W. Woolworth?

If Amazon wants to create its own nationwide warehouse-to-customer delivery network, I imagine they believe doing so will allow them to provide better service at lower prices than the Big 3 established parcel service (USPS, FDX, UPS).

Can they develop such a delivery network? I'm sure they could, but the Capex required to develop the infrastructure to get there would be astronomical.

Could they do it such that they eclipse any of the above carriers in volume in just *two* years? Absolutely positively not, and anybody who suggests otherwise needs a whiz quiz.

Sure! Where would they find a sort facility, just lying dormant; and a workforce population just waiting for jobs? Those Amazon guys are just SO naive!

A nationwide warehouse-to-customer delivery network requires much, much, MUCH more than just an empty ILN air sort facility.

Amazon will take the easy way out
 

Amazon can buy FDX, plain and simple. Just check out their market capitalizations.

Not out of the question, but what would happen then? Would FDX gain or lose customers? The joke about how to become a millionaire comes to mind.