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Birdsmash 12-23-2019 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 2944121)
For what? Atlas, Southern, ABX all move Amazon also. Just don't use the bag tags or tell anyone.

It’s nothing to brag about. Besides...It’s all “rubber dog$hit outa Hong Kong anyways”. Speaking of that....the next Top Gun movie is scheduled to be released June 2020.

https://youtu.be/g4U4BQW9OEk

wjcandee 12-23-2019 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 2944104)
Amazon isn't a true express package delivery company like FDX that can deliver something from one side of the country (or world) to another in 18 hours via their air network, they are a retailer that stocks dozens of massive fulfillment centers across the country where the bulk of their last mile shipments originate and uses airplanes to move stuff between fulfillment centers.

Actually, they use the airplanes to layer more distant shipments to individuals into their last mile network. So you are correct that something going from a Virginia DC to a New York recipient will go by truck from Virginia to the "Sorting Center" at Avenel, NJ, where it will be sorted for delivery to a last-mile provider: a local post office, or a carrier like LaserShip, or, now, to Amazon's organic last-mile carrier, AMZL. But all the air network does is layer packages into that last-mile network by delivering them by trailer to the Sorting Center. The Sorting Center processes don't care whether they are receiving a trailer of packages from Virginia or Delaware, or instead a trailer of packages that has come from ABE off of the plane from ONT.

The air network is not there primarily to move bulk shipments of the same item between distribution centers. It's there to move packaged customer orders from distribution centers to sorting centers, just like Amazon's ground line-haul network does. It's a minor point, but one that is important conceptually. It's this fact that media often miss when trying to understand what it is that Amazon's doing with its airplanes.

nitefr8dog 12-23-2019 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by Birdsmash (Post 2944128)
It’s nothing to brag about. Besides...It’s all “rubber dog$hit outa Hong Kong anyways”. Speaking of that....the next Top Gun movie is scheduled to be released June 2020.

https://youtu.be/g4U4BQW9OEk

Pretty sure I said just that.."or tell anyone "

No Land 3 12-23-2019 08:18 PM

Rubber dog sh^$ is still preferable to passengers and FA's

scrupulous 12-23-2019 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2944212)
Rubber dog sh^$ is still preferable to passengers and FA's

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+1

TripleIsolation 12-24-2019 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 2944121)
For what? Atlas, Southern, ABX all move Amazon also. Just don't use the bag tags or tell anyone.


Don’t tell anyone??? They’re the ones picketing at amazon and calling themselves Amazon pilots lol

Agcat25 12-24-2019 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2944212)
Rubber dog sh^$ is still preferable to passengers and FA's

Don’t be silly, stumbling around on icy ramps, climbing frozen hard stands in the middle of the night, isn’t a choice. Don’t let yourself to be conned into this ridiculous mindset. Flying old hand me down jets for one of the Amazon, DHL subs shouldn’t be a career destination just part of the journey. The advantages of flying for a legacy passenger carrier cannot be measured when compared to night freight, hub flying and I’ve done a lot of both. You young guys and gals should get your butts into the right seat of a new, well maintained, well dispatched jet with FAs and screaming babies in the back. Don’t let old guys, who will forever be 3 units short of a BS degree convince you that this is preferable, it’s not!......Thank me.

No Land 3 12-24-2019 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by Agcat25 (Post 2944431)
Don’t be silly, stumbling around on icy ramps, climbing frozen hard stands in the middle of the night, isn’t a choice. Don’t let yourself to be conned into this ridiculous mindset. Flying old hand me down jets for one of the Amazon, DHL subs shouldn’t be a career destination just part of the journey. The advantages of flying for a legacy passenger carrier cannot be measured when compared to night freight, hub flying and I’ve done a lot of both. You young guys and gals should get your butts into the right seat of a new, well maintained, well dispatched jet with FAs and screaming babies in the back. Don’t let old guys, who will forever be 3 units short of a BS degree convince you that this is preferable, it’s not!......Thank me.

At the Regionals I flew brand new CRJ's. I've witnessed AA pilots doing the same exact routine as me, commuting in a day early, riding the shared hotel van to a motel 6.
What I say is from experience, go chase that lifestyle if you want it, I'll go fly my rubber dog sh$% literally out of Hong Kong. I haven't done night hub turns outside of Christmas flying for Brown and Purple. Long live long haul freight, everything else sucks.

cessnapilot 12-24-2019 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2944451)
At the Regionals I flew brand new CRJ's. I've witnessed AA pilots doing the same exact routine as me, commuting in a day early, riding the shared hotel van to a motel 6.
What I say is from experience, go chase that lifestyle if you want it, I'll go fly my rubber dog sh$% literally out of Hong Kong. I haven't done night hub turns outside of Christmas flying for Brown and Purple. Long live long haul freight, everything else sucks.

To each his own. There is a big difference between Legacy lifestyle and the regionals. I don’t know that it’s a fair comparison.

I’ve done 135, regional, legacy, and the cargo. I’ve found things I enjoy at each place. As I get older and have a young family, I find long trips aren’t a great fit.

Packrat 12-24-2019 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2944451)
What I say is from experience, go chase that lifestyle if you want it, I'll go fly my rubber dog sh$%

Seconded. 23 years of legacy plus 15 years of Navy logistics and I'm with you, especially if you're homebased. If only I'd have gotten orders to Millington instead of Norfolk in 1987. :rolleyes:

No Land 3 12-24-2019 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by cessnapilot (Post 2944490)
To each his own. There is a big difference between Legacy lifestyle and the regionals. I don’t know that it’s a fair comparison.

I’ve done 135, regional, legacy, and the cargo. I’ve found things I enjoy at each place. As I get older and have a young family, I find long trips aren’t a great fit.

I can't offer a fair comparison between regional and the big three, other than seeing mainline pilots doing the same exact goat rope I was doing and despised every second of it. If the future has me making that decision, I just hope I have something on the side that would allow me to say no and hang my hat from this industry, if I couldn't keep doing what I am doing now.

nitefr8dog 12-24-2019 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by TripleIsolation (Post 2944401)
Don’t tell anyone??? They’re the ones picketing at amazon and calling themselves Amazon pilots lol

Actually you have not been paying attention.....it's ATI with the bag tags and calling themselves Amazon pilots lol

ROBsINtheHOOD 12-24-2019 03:09 PM

Amazon would have to spend BILLION$ to match the global networks that FedEx , UPS and DHL have. It’s relatively easy to be BIG in the USA , a lot more difficult and expensive to reach globally. Amazon , by seizing the US market as it has done , can only dream of such worldwide networks. Not cheap , not overnight and not likely. Alibaba ?

Hogcapt 12-24-2019 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by Agcat25 (Post 2944431)
Don’t be silly, stumbling around on icy ramps, climbing frozen hard stands in the middle of the night, isn’t a choice. Don’t let yourself to be conned into this ridiculous mindset. Flying old hand me down jets for one of the Amazon, DHL subs shouldn’t be a career destination just part of the journey. The advantages of flying for a legacy passenger carrier cannot be measured when compared to night freight, hub flying and I’ve done a lot of both. You young guys and gals should get your butts into the right seat of a new, well maintained, well dispatched jet with FAs and screaming babies in the back. Don’t let old guys, who will forever be 3 units short of a BS degree convince you that this is preferable, it’s not!......Thank me.

Depends on the carrier, I suppose. I Sometimes fly a 747-8F. Not sure when this comparison was meant but I sure get asked for more cockpit visits in my "old" 747 flying freight than when I flew brand new A320's. Imagine that.

lear 31 pilot 12-24-2019 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by Agcat25 (Post 2944431)
Don’t be silly, stumbling around on icy ramps, climbing frozen hard stands in the middle of the night, isn’t a choice. Don’t let yourself to be conned into this ridiculous mindset. Flying old hand me down jets for one of the Amazon, DHL subs shouldn’t be a career destination just part of the journey. The advantages of flying for a legacy passenger carrier cannot be measured when compared to night freight, hub flying and I’ve done a lot of both. You young guys and gals should get your butts into the right seat of a new, well maintained, well dispatched jet with FAs and screaming babies in the back. Don’t let old guys, who will forever be 3 units short of a BS degree convince you that this is preferable, it’s not!......Thank me.

Yeah man, I can’t stand being able to take a pee when I want, never dealing with TSA, 14 days off in a row. Someday maybe I will be able to fly the newest 737 with a bunch of FAs 4 days a week with layovers in exotic places like Wichita.

Crazy Canuck 12-24-2019 08:35 PM

I think agcat was joking. And you all bit the bait like a northern pike on a spinner.

No Land 3 12-24-2019 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck (Post 2944759)
I think agcat was joking. And you all bit the bait like a northern pike on a spinner.

Or possibly your synopsis is incorrect? Does it matter? Who cares?

cessnapilot 12-24-2019 09:49 PM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2944548)
I can't offer a fair comparison between regional and the big three, other than seeing mainline pilots doing the same exact goat rope I was doing and despised every second of it. If the future has me making that decision, I just hope I have something on the side that would allow me to say no and hang my hat from this industry, if I couldn't keep doing what I am doing now.

I don’t mean this in a bad way, but they weren’t doing the exact same thing you were. They have options. Long haul. Short haul. International. Domestic. Wide body. Narrow body.

No Land 3 12-24-2019 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by cessnapilot (Post 2944778)
I don’t mean this in a bad way, but they weren’t doing the exact same thing you were. They have options. Long haul. Short haul. International. Domestic. Wide body. Narrow body.

Correct, and not arguing that they have a much better QOL from the regionals, but there's certain things you cannot escape; smurfs, pax, FA's, airport terminals, airport appreciation, and commuting(unless you move to base). Scheduling is arguable. Some can escape the 4 on, 3 off, 3,4,5 leg days, others cannot.
One cannot argue that living on base is the best of everything. Do I want to move my family and machine shop across the country? No, I do not.

CardboardCutout 12-25-2019 04:07 PM

This my job is better than your job neener neener stuff is unbelievably tedious.

C17B74 01-07-2020 10:17 PM

Tedious or fact gathering data when considered objectively if at all possible.

Of course everyone must have an opinion not that it truly matters, but here are more pros or cons truly dependent upon who you are!

No FAs, or no FAs to serve you.
No Pax issues, Cargo may not complain, but can kill just as well.
No hats, but you may like hats if your into that kind of thing.
No Cool Blazers, heavy @$$ leather jackets if you dare.
Uniform gets shed early for hours and no bathroom break blocker.
Great life insurance for some Cargo carriers, maybe they pass earlier.
Less TSA, but less access for Starbucks addicts.
Add from there... just saying...

121guy 01-09-2020 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by C17B74 (Post 2953343)
Tedious or fact gathering data when considered objectively if at all possible.

Of course everyone must have an opinion not that it truly matters, but here are more pros or cons truly dependent upon who you are!

No FAs, or no FAs to serve you.
No Pax issues, Cargo may not complain, but can kill just as well.
No hats, but you may like hats if your into that kind of thing.
No Cool Blazers, heavy @$$ leather jackets if you dare.
Uniform gets shed early for hours and no bathroom break blocker.
Great life insurance for some Cargo carriers, maybe they pass earlier.
Less TSA, but less access for Starbucks addicts.
Add from there... just saying...

Easy access to Starbucks is probably the ONLY thing I miss about pax flying. I only get my $5 lattes on commuting days now.


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