Just read this entire thread and can't help but laugh at the ignorant morons who were lynching the OP for "being crazy".

Well to be fare they were calling him crazy for saying Amazon would be the largest Parcel Delviery airline inside two years. It's been about that and they don't even have all the aircraft on property and they would be lucky to match 1/10 of what UPS or FDX do.
So yea the assumption that Prime Air would smoke UPS and FDX in two years was certainly some crack pot claim.

No way will be Amazon even be close to FedEx or UPS due to the Amerijet/Centurion pay rates ATSG is trying to pass off as industry standard. The millennials have choices as to where they work.

I thought he was crazy because he said bigger than UPS and FDX in parcel delivery in two years. I challenged that ridiculous, unrealistic comment multiple times in this thread.

Getting there *eventually*? Maybe...time will tell, they've got a LOOOOOOONG way to go and the industry will continue evolving with each passing year. Also, UPS and FDX aren't just going to sit idly by and allow their duopoly to be threatened without a STOUT fight.

Amazon can't compete yet in air delivery. It will only get worse in the future due to pilot shortage.

We have some internal issues at Prime Air. I'm speaking for all us that fly under those colors.

ATLAS and ATSG are in the process of whipsawing pilot groups. The good news is that it's starting to solidify the work force. Eventually it will hit an apex, only then will we know the direction of Prime. Pilots groups can be very brutal towards one another. Nevertheless, we have been beaten over the head with CRM. When a common problem is identified we naturally form up.


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Hmmmmm..... how did that work out ? What's next ? Like several others, I thought initial post was grandiose, yet felt that Amazon would have an in-house air network of meaningful size within that 2 year time frame. Almost 20 months and counting, still a very long way to go to get a ~200 plus aircraft fleet.

20 years. This August marks two decades since the epic slugfest which saw IBT drop UPS to the canvas in 16 days. Yes, NMB just granted Prime's contractor a nice favor with a bureaucratic reaffirmation of what was essentially already in place. You may operate a single carrier brand, owning/holding/controlling multiple certificates, provided you go to the trouble of making them appear independent in a manner acceptable to the board. But, and it's a doozy of a but, the story of transportation in NA is still, hand in glove, the story of organized labor. How Prime paddles into that, so far, hasn't been very innovative as far as I can tell?

It will take a common union to do it, once that ramp is controlled the rest will follow.

Most at ATI were expecting a sizable pay increase its ever more clear that this will most likely go to mediation and stalling us at sub commuter pay for a while longer. The people that were once anti teamster are now starting to think about it a little harder.

Plus Id bet there are some things brewing on the 1224 side Im sure.



One more thing........

Union email says to keep up hard work be professional and move freight for ATSG......you know the people underpaying the F out of me and even give newbs an off contract pay hike for first year.

Also some dumb @$$ brit on the news just said we could defeat terror with hugs and education!

Just for the record, Im giving the second story more weight. Should I start hugging the guy with the suicide vest first? Should I start with a knife attacker then work my way up?

CTR.....as evidenced by recent events at ATSG, you can usually see the knife before they plunge it into your back. Now, it's more apparent they aren't using knives or aiming for the back. The target zone is much lower!

For your information FedEx has a Fatigue Management Plan that is sent to the FAA on a monthly basis and is used by the crews. We don't send rubber checks, 1. we have a LOT of money 2. we don't need to.

Your management paid into a super PAC to lobby congress to keep freight haulers out of 117

Fact


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Back the OP claim & commenting on the AMZN moves to date. If their foray into transportation is to resemble in any way their conquest of retail but stops at becoming a DHL style contractor broker; they've really brought nothing new to the game have they? $1011 a share at today's open. Doh!

One thing Amazon does is think outside the box to lower cost.

Case in point, Monday my packages were delivered by a 1985 Buick LaSabre....

So we're talking about a multi billion dollar company contracting out to individuals in their own cars to deliver packages. Do I see that mentality starting their own airline or do I see them doing the DHL model and letting the bottom feeders fight it out. Hmmm....

The later is why it's important to have that ramp under a common union and scoped so tight its untouchable by the outside. It will be the only way to fight off the impending whip saw. Otherwise in a few years time you'll have some startup with clapped out POS aircraft and desperate pilots undercutting what you've built


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Isn't that already happening with ATI undercutting the 1224 carriers? :eek:

I'll give you some slack because you seem ignorant on the issue. ATI is currently working under a JCBA from 2013 that was negotiated when we were merging with CCI and both airlines lost a significant amount of business. There were a lot of furloughs and downgrades.We know we're really underpaid in the current market. We're now doing quite well and in the final stages of negotiations with the company. How about you give us a chance? If we settle for a POS contract then by all means fire-away! Kalitta or better!
#TheTeamstersStillSuck

Obviously a severe case of vaginitis!

#alpathebestunionmanagementcanmanipulate

L8fr8,
This guy is not ignorant (well, then again....), he is certified "the Brain from MEM" posting under another tag. Please do not give this grenade throwing hack the time of day or the satisfaction of answering him.

If that's right, and it may be, the OP was off target. Watch for the trucks, that will be key.

Omg, you guys just crack me up..

Obviously I fit in here with all the other short bus riders !!!!




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Ouch, that was a pecker slap.

NO MORE JUMPSEATS F ' em ALL

just kidding!!!!! If it is the Memphis brain...man that's harsh!


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This is the OP, posted 10/22/2015:

It could be a "FACT" that they were "planning to be" that.

The only way they could become "the world's' largest overnight parcel delivery service" would be to buy DHL (the current largest overnight delivery service).

Just over 4.5 months to go until that 2 year deadline.

Great😡 Another company for the Germans to go and F up.

Rumor going around is that Amazon will buy Atlas and ATI by October. How does that fit into tha OP's statement?

If the "rumor going around" ends up being true...it'd still fit WELL short of OP's grandiose claim.

Rumors are like ass holes .....

Rumor going around says Amazon wants to have 400 aircraft.

Keep posting statements like these Whip and we're gonna have to give you the "MemBrain of the Year" Award:rolleyes: :D

Rumors swirl about Amazon acquiring more freighters | Air Cargo World

:rolleyes:

More freighters for Amazon? | Cargo Facts

Note: On 17 March 2017, Amazon told Cargo Facts: “There is no truth to either of these rumors.”

Only time will tell if Amazon brings Prime Air in-house, and if they do, how quickly and how large their total airframe number grows...

Amazon also denied project Aerosmith...until they didn't.

Wrong, you boys negotiated for about 10yrs if I remember right.

Really, Id wager your union puts out something under 30%. Your union still on the "payment" plan?

Rumor going around that I was brutally raped by Kate Upton....

Amazon Prime Air
 

Same for me, I was completely beaten by those monsters. I begged for mercy and told her I wouldn't press charges if she would go reverse cowgirl, reluctantly she did. The depression sent me into an eating binge. Then as a result my career plunged and here I sit at ATI. My self esteem is still in the gutter that I could be thought of as just a big lovable sex toy. It's just a rumor though.

An awful one, spread it around !!!!


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I very well know the issues of staffing. However, if Atlas/Southern/ABX etc. gets a decent contract, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the idea. Keep in mind that Bezos has made his intentions clear about getting in bed with DHL and already has in some respects. DHL does more deliveries internationally than UPS and FedEx combined. As for the US, DHL pales in comparison to either one. Nevertheless, DHL does have an established US network. Combine that with dominance in international, then yes, it is quite plausible.....even without the crackpot factor.

Co-mingling volume in CVG? ATI flying DHL "Amazon" volume under ABX's nose, in violation of 1224 scope?

Could be rumor, but I heard 1224 is addressing scope concerns.

Amazon is just gunna dump the lucrative freight business Atlanta/ATi already has to fly online retail lift? If so, that is definitely out of the box thinking.

I could possibly see some of the ACMI carriers merging. Amazon going in house? Very doubtful.

Lord, I don't want to start this rumor, example only. Lets say AAWW/ATSG merged due to a buyout thats believable. One ACMI would virtually own the market for a decade. One of the ATI guys I believe posted something similar months ago. Thought it was silly but after some thought maybe not.

Whoa whoa wait a minute... ATI has lucrative freight business?