Project Aerosmith Europe

More evidence that Amazon is testing European logistics network | Air Cargo World

Here comes Amazon...

http://m.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2015/12/24/this-is-how-amazon-is-taking-control-of-delivery.html

This is due to the fact that they are building a large facility in the Columbus area. I think it has something to do with their cloud services.

Thousands of shiny new rigs. 20 767's. A forgotten OH airfield. What could possibly go wrong?

I just received one of my orders. Ordered through Amazon, sent by the US Mail, shipped via AUS-MEM-IAD. Everybody wins. Not to worry, I did not pay for overnight when I ordered it on the 23rd. Thanks to the FDX pilots who performed 95% of the work (in the classic physics definition of work) in delivering it.

Ghost of Christmas past v. ghost of Christmas yet to be…
50 million prime subscribers now rumored (proprietary of course), this story only gets bigger. If the jets are the sizzle, the trucks are the steak. How they get deployed, better yet how effectively, good reading on Kindle in the year ahead. Interested in squeezing the last logistical mile, eh? How about the last earnings dollar?

ASL is the company bidding to take over the TNT network when FedEx's purchase is complete. Wonder how FedEx feels about ASL doing amazon flying?

From Destinations confirmed for Amazon?s European network tests | Air Cargo World

Amazon boxesAfter it was revealed last week that Amazon has expanded testing of its own logistics network in three cities in Europe, more details have been uncovered by Air Cargo World’s sister publication Cargo Facts about the specific locations and route information, and how it fits with Amazon’s existing distribution network on the continent.

Amazon has been working with Germany-based forwarder and logistics services provider DB Schenker, using a wet-leased 737 freighter, operated by charter carrier ASL France, to connect cities in Poland, Germany, and the U.K., with plans to expand the trial to include more freighters, as well as more destinations in Italy and Spain.

Cargo Facts has found that the 737-300F is being operated by ASL on a Monday-Saturday, 6x weekly schedule between Wroclaw, Poland (WRO); Doncaster, U.K. (DSA); and Kassel, Germany (KSF). All three of these cities are located near Amazon’s fulfillment centers: WRO is 12 minutes from two Wroclaw fulfillment centers, DSA is 18 minutes from two Doncaster centers, and KSF is a little over an hour away from Amazon’s two centers in Bad Hersfeld, Germany.

According to Amazon, the second Doncaster fulfillment center opened – rather conveniently – in October 2015, bring the total capacity for that location to 660,000 square feet. The two centers in Bad Hersfeld are considered some of the most important Amazon hubs in Germany, accounting for 1.7 million square feet, the company said. In Wroclaw, the 2.2 million-square-foot facilities are as large as some of the fulfillment centers found in the U.S.

Regarding possible future expansion, the largest Amazon fulfillment center in Spain is located in Madrid, nearly adjacent to Adolfo Suárez Madrid–Barajas Airport (MAD). The center is slated to be expanded to 807,000 square feet in the first quarter of the coming year. Could this be just a coincidence? Maybe not.

Parma, Italy, is another possible contender. Amazon currently has only one 650,000-square-foot fulfillment center at Piacenza, Italy, near Milan, which is only about an hour’s drive from the relatively uncongested Parma International Airport (PMF). Interestingly, PMF also happens to be partly owned by a Chinese logistics/e-commerce company.

As Cargo Facts reported earlier this month, Amazon has also been conducting trial air operations in the United States and is believed to have begun the process of setting up an own-controlled US domestic air network based on a fleet of twenty 767 freighters. Whether it will make a similar move in Europe remains to be seen.

As I recall the Voodoo was on display for the longest time in a park downtown ILN when the politically correct crowd decided they didn't want a war machine on display in their village.
So the Airborne Express maintenance guys, god bless em, said fine we'll take it and put on a proper display at our private Air Park. Glad to see it still there

They will find the aircraft and pilots very quickly. First, I would expect a lot of the Dynamic people will go or its sister carrier, Air 21.

You do know that Boeing is actually still building the 767 and would bet Amazon would get a good deal. I do believe that someone will get the "contract". My guess is Atlas/ABX/Amerijet or maybe even a place like Air 21.

Sorry ATPLCliff but I think you're wrong.

Will they have their own airline or is this going to be a code share?

Why don't they just buy out who ever has 767Fs here? They'd have the planes and pilots instantly.

Pilots and aircraft are the simplest part. In addition, you need all the supporting equipment at every airport to load/unload, sort and transfer freight from aircraft to ground vehicles. Then you need the manpower and vehicles to distribute packages to every house and business in every country Amazon intends to deliver. It has taken FedEx 45 years to develop its infrastructure. It employs over 300,000 people around the world. It has taken UPS 108 years and it employs over 400,000 people around the world. Just for delivering packages. And somehow Amazon expects to develop that kind of infrastructure in 5-7 years? If they actually plan to deliver all their own stuff, they can't do it half-assed. What's their business model going to look like for areas outside of major cities? "Sorry remote farm family in Nebraska, you can buy things on our website, but since you live outside our delivery network, you'll have to drive to Omaha to pick them up".
I think Amazon is playing poker. They want a better deal and they are making some noise. Good move on their part. It's getting noticed. But unless they have the capital to buy UPS or FedEx, they are decades away developing any kind of package delivery system capable of delivering their own stuff, never mind competing with FedEx/UPS.

Amazon doesn't have to deliver to every house in the US they only have to replace the trunk network FedEx/UPS is providing to the Postal Service distribution centers. The airplanes would only have to deliver packages to major hubs then semi-trucks (which has already been announced) to the regional USPS offices. Even then if it doesn't make sense I'm sure FedEx/UPS will do just fine, they're only going to take the low-hanging fruit that will provide the best cost savings.

Oh now you've done it. Every under-employed non-schedder and hipster dufus Bezos fanbois is going to get up in your grill.

I'll be amused in say two years when the guys that would now service Bezos' dog to get a job from him will be on this board clamoring for a union and cursing his existence. Bezos is going to pit groups against each other and drive wages down for everyone without a real contract/Union in place.

Maybe not yet but it's getting closer... ;)

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Funny, A simple rumor of Amazon having its own air freight has people running scared. There are so many reasons why it won't happen. A wishful thought of starting your own delivery system is a long way from DC politics and getting it approved.

[QUOTE=iPilot;2045184]Amazon doesn't have to deliver to every house in the US. Yes they do. And FedEx, UPS would fight Amazon at every turn. Its funny, but there are only two major delivery carriers in the US and they are UPS and FedEx. They own the market. Amazon can dream about trying a delivery service but both UPS and FedEx would match Amazon delivery prices and kill a start up. Both FedEx and UPS have large revenues outside of Amazon.

[QUOTE=Waldorf;2045223]My changes are in red

Double post. See below

Amazon isn't creating a common-carrier freight company. They just want to cut out the middle-man and ship their own stuff.

Right now they use the post office for most last-mile deliveries to residential addresses. All Amazon has to do is ship packages into the USPS system. Most likely the jets and semi-trucks will deliver to regional post offices and the USPS takes it from there. Granted that isn't a small matter and they'll likely continue to use FedEx and UPS where it makes sense. Perhaps this is just a negotiating tactic on Amazon's part to get cheaper shipping rates. I imagine Bezos writes those guys a pretty big check that he'd like to keep to himself.

There's a reason why the USPS contracts out much of the kind of shipping you are talking about. It sounds kind of simple until you actually witness the process. But if it were a cheap and easy process, it would have been one of the last things the money losing Post Office would have shed. Instead, it was the first.

We help finance Bezos...
 

Using USPS, taxpayers are funding his operation indirectly. USPS operates at gargantuan losses and we pick up the tab.

Crony corporate welfare...nice.

The post office along with anything the government (military, FEMA, etc.) ships doesn't even remotely close to a competitive rate. God bless pork!

Amazon is seeking to become a fulfillment company be that in server farms (their big money maker now) or in fulfilling orders to customers. Amazon wants to store somebody else's stuff and collect fees all up and down the supply chain without having to put a lot of their own money into the mix unless that money comes with profit.

Amazon is changing the status quo the same way FedEx did 40yrs ago. Just as everyone thought Fred Smith was crazy, everyone thinks Bezos is crazy. Time will tell but it is a pretty smart way for them to shrink costs by slicing out middlemen.

So before you know it, Amazon will be using pilotless airplanes to hubs, to have the packages sent to homes by their drones. Oh no, they're gonna take over!

Or maybe they'll realize how difficult it is, and the effort is not worth the tiny profit margin. Or maybe they'll make a decent go of it, if they get the right team in place. Amazon has a reputation for decent pay, but of burning people out by overworking them. That doesn't work too well with pilots, who actually need to stay awake and halfway lucid, so maybe they'd better figure out the pilotless aircraft.

And their entire plan was put together in the last two weeks after Christmas. UPS failed them last year, and FedEx failed them this year by being unable to control the weather, so out of desperation, they just came up with this plan. Or not. Seems like they've been thinking about this for awhile, and if it fails, I'm sure they'll have someone other than management to blame. I doubt it has anything to do with thinking they can actually do a better job than their competitors. Someone thinks they have a way to make a buck, and who knows, maybe they do.

The Voodoo was never on display in Wilmington. It was left at ILN after being used for some tests of an aircraft recovery system, to the best of my recollection.

You do know that the Post Office loses money primarily because it has to prefund postal workers retirement, right? No other government agency has such a burden.

The U.S. government has over $200 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

And USPS unionized, which Jeff doesn't like so much.

Then the USPS (us taxpayers) are indirectly funding Fred Smith's operation.

You're correct. Crony corporate welfare indeed. Nice.

The USPS contract is not exclusive to just FedEx, it involves many other players!

So, what exactly were you trying to say?

I never said or even implied that it was exclusive to FDX. When taken in context of the post to which I was responding, my point stands.

Now, butt out!;)

This includes the use of ships...it is a worldwide plan...

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Is it really necessary to talk about THE EXACT same thing on three separate threads?

Yes it is because it's such an important issue. If Amazon wants to make it the big three now, they will have to pay up.

Details and 747's
 

It looks like they can afford to do anything they want but starting and operating a Cargo airline is a HUGE (in my best Donald Trump voice) undertaking!

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ATI will soon announce the first 787 freighters TOO

PLUS a 15% PAY INCREASE with bonus beach condos in KILN

Trolling-
 

This whole thread is basically trolling. Why does it continue?

Because APC, thats why.