I started this thread last October, and I got some of the strangest responses from Amazon flying drone 767's to get robots to fly. Anybody listening now? This outfit is for real, and quite frankly while I am an employee, I think they are the evil empire. But, if you're thinking they are not a force to be dealt with; you underestimate them.

I've heard they're sucking up 767 qualified pilots up like a vacuum cleaner.

Left you a PM.

Still waiting on "world's largest overnight parcel delivery service within the next two years" part of the prognostication.

What's up the DHL liveried 767 doing the Amazon sort?

Glad you reminded me, I said "two years", not 71/2 months. This could turn out great for your current employer, (ATSG, Atlas Air and their new friends, Kalitta Air, Omni, etc.). Brown or Purple, your upgrade time is getting longer. If anyone on here was alive or at least out of High School in 1983, many thought and said some unusal things about some Fred Smith guy. Hell, if your parents were alive and out of H.S. in 1971, they might remember some "idiot" name Herb Kellerher. Cheers

Didn't a recent fedex bid have a 757 CA with one year on property?

Actually upgrade times and Brown and Purple seem to be coming down. You got beat on in high school quite a bit I'm guessing.

Eleven months, actually.....

and wide body captain in MEM with less than 6 years on property. Shortest upgrades in the last 30 years, but why let facts cloud his head.

1983?? If my memory serves me correctly, Fed Ex was up and running with B727's and DC10's in their fleet in 1983. I think you meant to say 1973. Maybe it will take Amazon 10 years instead of 2 to meet your "world's largest" claim. I do recall a Herb Kelleher (you need spell check) back in the early 70's. I also recall some unusual (spell check again) being said about Fred Smith.

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Brown & Purple F/Os are still making as much or more than captains flying Amazon stuff. :D So I don't think any of them are too worried. But I do remember a bunch more start up and old freight carriers that are no longer flying too. Not sure which category you will fall into, but I wish you the best of luck. :)

If your company makes to big boy status then it will be a desirable place to work, so try and represent your company a little better and stop sounding like a D bag! :eek:

You're right.

I'm sure the next 16.5 months will make all the difference in your prognostication becoming true.

Im a newb here at ATI. Like I said in an earlier post. People here are thinking this is the greatest thing ever and that 787 factory freighters are being ordered right now. I made more flying Rj's than captains here. Im here to check a box and that is it. Its laughable, just read the post on here. I can say it speaks volumes about the company. Saddly the pilots are beat down and the union is probably on the take. The later is the only way to explain the compensation.

Its ACMI/charter snap out of it!!

I'm sorry to hear that you feel that way. But you must realize that every group has its percentage of "disillusioned" and another percentage of "grumpy" and another percentage of "beat downs" and....... Well u get what I mean.
As for our contract, I'm sure you were told this, but we are negotiating for only the third time. and while it would be nice to have a really mature contract at the snap of our fingers, it is what it is. That's why we have a percentage of people here that are trying to "better our lot here" through volunteering to do Union work.
It sounds like you've been on a union property before, how about bringing some of that experience here and make a difference rather than just trying to "check a box". Which by the way, in this hiring environment, I'm not sure why you would need to do that. But if you're planning on baling out, ( and I say this with the utmost respect) please do so quickly so that someone who really wants to be here and enjoys this culture can get on quickly.

Respectfully,

FAJ

Well said. What kind of box??? I would think the poster would have had some kind of credentials to get hired...

Well, he's already checked the box that says "I"ve overstressed an airframe and gleefully named myself for it". His credentials are that he's overqualified for NASA, but he'll settle for us for now.

Just wondering where all the 76's are going to come from?

We're putting them together from spare parts, boneyards, museums, parking lot signs, you name it.

Duct tape LOTS OF IT!

.................

FAA guy told me a few years back as long as you don't hit anybody's house or livestock on the way down we're good!

fupm fupm fupm

Since Amazon is going up against the big boys, shouldn't the pilots of "Amazon One" be paid like the big boys too?

Or.... maybe that's why they decided to use contractors because they know that they won't have to pay contractors as much as an organic, in house airline whose pilots would demand big boy pay.

Or.... maybe that's why they allegedly bought Florida West to be their organic "Prime Air" knowing that those pilots wouldn't demand big boy pay....

You'll have to make it ONE UNION ONE VOICE!

Its the only way to counter it, lots of people won't want to hear that.

Well, at least they have an airplane available for ACMI charter ...

Amazon is taking to the air with cargo planes. Will passenger jets follow? | Business Comment | News | The Independent

Wow. The Independent got this one TOTALLY wrong.

The Amazon Air operation is TOTALLY outsourced. They have a very deep misunderstanding of the subject they're reporting on.

Forget about the passenger issue....

:rolleyes:

I think they're alluding to the difference between putting freight on FedEx/UPS, etc, vs flying their own aircraft on their own schedule.

While it is outsourced in the sense that there is a separate company operating the aircraft, they are "insouced" in the sense that Amazon is able to exercise far more control.

Wait, it gets worse.

https://flex.amazon.com/

Granted this is ground but more jobs taken away with benefits and pensions. Sad. I guess it's time to stop clicking and not supporting amazon.

As much as I hate to see delivery become that much of a low paying job, you have to admit that it's a pretty genius way to start up mass delivery. I did not see that coming...

So when it hits the ground how does it get to your house ?

Amazon Prime Air
 

Amazon trucks.

Just to clarify. We feed the Amazon warehouses. The warehouses feed the end buyer. It's absolutely not like fedex or UPS




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The trucks drive the stuff to the local USPS office. They have a long term contract with the USPS to deliver to the customer's door.

Depends on the market. Here we have dedicated Amazon trucks they deliver 7days a week. Im using amazon pantry and literally just had my groceries delivered an hour ago on a Sunday. Cost NO MORE than Kroger or Tom Thumb and I never left the house. F*&^KING AWSOME!

Think Im getting fatter and my social skills could be deteriorating though. Plus being a lifer at ATI I can't afford a nice ride or one with A/C so it helps when its hot outside.

CTR is absolutely-correct. There is still so much misunderstanding in the media over what Amazon is doing, and they are probably happy for it to stay that way. The difference between the Amazon model and the Fedex/UPS model is substantial.

Fedex/UPS pick up the package at an Amazon (or any client's) distribution center, take it to their local station, organize it, truck it to their plane (or put it on a line-haul trailer for ground), sort it at their hub, put it on another plane (or line-haul trailer), take it from the destination airport to their local station, and deliver it from the station to the home (the "last mile")-- all on their own vehicles and with their own people. The package is out of Amazon's control from the moment it leaves the dock at Amazon's Distribution Center. Even last year, during the surge, a whole lot of Amazon packages got on a FedEx or UPS trailer at Amazon and sat for days near the origin FedEx/UPS/SmartPost station before being unloaded and inducted into the network. It's this kind of bottleneck at the carrier, among other things, that Amazon wants to avoid by doing the line-haul itself.

Starting a few years ago, Amazon developed an in-house contract ground line-haul network. Amazon-contracted tractor-trailers would pick up packages from Distribution Centers as far away as a few hundred miles, and take them to newly-built Amazon Postal Sorting Centers near the destination, where Amazon people would sort them by zip code at lightning speed, and deliver them during the wee hours to post offices who would do the "last mile". The packages were in Amazon's control until given to the destination Post Office. A whole lot of Amazon 2-Day and even Next Day in the Northeast moves this way. The last mile is also sometimes done by local carriers like OnTrack, Lasership, etc. Recently, organic Amazon-branded delivery has also been added. Where Amazon is rolling out Amazon Fresh to more suburban communities, they are having the Fresh trucks initially also carry Amazon packages to offset the low initial Fresh volume on those trucks.

The new Prime Air air component works (at least in part) this way: Amazon builds pallets of packages at or near the origin Amazon Distribution Center. The pallets are built based on destination in the Amazon network. They get on the ATSG aircraft near their origin, and are flown to the destination airport, perhaps with a cross-dock move at ILN (on most routes, but not on ABE-ONT, for example). From the destination airport, Amazon trucks take the pallets to, for the most part, Amazon Postal Sorting Centers, where they are sorted by destination post office just like the Amazon Ground packages are.

The air component is just a layer that allows packages from longer distances to be injected into the existing ground delivery network that Amazon already has (and is expanding).

So, in my case, the other day I received a package that started at an Amazon DC outside of Tampa, and was put on a pallet with other NY-area packages. That pallet got on an ATSG flight to ILN, was cross-docked to the flight to ABE, and was moved by Amazon truck from ABE to their Avenel, NJ Postal Sorting Center. The pallet was broken down at Avenel, any my package was sorted for delivery by Amazon to my local post office, where it was delivered to me by my mail carrier along with a package that had started at an Amazon DC in Delaware and come to Avenel by Amazon line-haul truck.

There is no "sorting" of packages at an intermediate point the way it is on Fedex or UPS, where they get out of a can, get sorted at MEM or SDF, and get put back in a new can to destination. Because Amazon has such huge volume, it can build full pallets by destination station at the Amazon origin, eliminating a costly intermediate sorting step.

Having flown Amazon loads recently what everyone else is saying is correct. It's a really different business model! No cans involved. My brother in law works at AS in SEA right next to them and says it's all what he calls military boards.

Another nice aspect to the operation is walking out to the jet to find it loaded, fueled, door closed, paperwork sitting there waiting for you, and getting out early! It's consistently been that way from the start, even as the tempo picked up and new aircraft and runs have been added. Still a long way to go as far as where it looks to be headed, but miles ahead of our colorful neighbor to the south, where you get everything three minutes before scheduled block out, but "on time" is paramount! :eek:

Amen. Reminds me of the good old days at Airborne Express when I had to file delay reports > 3 mins late.

New ABX Air route for Amazon starts today. PHX-ABE-TPA-PHX.

They doing a crew swap anywhere that's doable but that's an 8.0 block isn't it ? YIKES


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