CRS Trip Trade Nonsense Continues

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11-01-2015, 01:51 AM

#11

pilot141

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Yeah...where was "Preserve PMU at all costs" on our surveys years ago?

Where has it EVER been a priority?

When "Real Time Trip Trading" is in the top 5 or so of your initial polling, maybe preserving PMU should not be something you don't back down on.

It must be....(dramatic music)....

Keeping PMU benefits the company. They can keep their willing accomplices supplied with sweet trips, and they keep a pool of people who will suck up draft. Win/Win.

We got rolled again, just like the stupid A380 rates. We had a chance to fix something and did nothing.

11-01-2015, 04:49 AM

#12

CloudSailor

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Originally Posted by Huck

I'm sure another couple of years of negotiating would have fixed all this right up.....

Nope, the correct NC, understanding the top priorities of the entire crew force, with the fortitude to challenge the company's "lines in the sand" from day 1 would've addressed this issue. Their response on this issue during the roadshows is what caused me to lose total respect for their understanding of, and approach to, negotiations. Their "lines in the sand - industry leading" talk became completely empty to me after that.

11-01-2015, 06:23 AM

#13

busdriver12

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Originally Posted by VSTOLG4

They explained very clearly during the roadshow that RTTT was going to negate PMU. The "team" was not willing to lose PMU benefits and that made RTTT impossible.

Yep. And I wonder if the team actually talked to one single pilot who requested not to get real time trip trading so they could keep PMU. How rare it is to get PMU for most people anyways.....and they could have kept the increased pay in place for it. As opposed to the 100% of pilots that trip trade, real time trip trading affects them every trade.

11-01-2015, 07:40 AM

#14

Busboy

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Originally Posted by CloudSailor

This pilot group needs to look in the mirror and realize that 'we" are the problem. "We" voted, recalled and elected our leaders. Thus, deciding what type of leaders were going to lead us into and through contract negotiations. And, we're surprised at the outcome?

If we're happy with a contract that passed with 57% of the vote after the rainbows and unicorns roadshows...Then I guess the MEC, and the NC they selected, really does represent us.

11-01-2015, 07:46 AM

#15

FDXLAG

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Originally Posted by busdriver12

If you don't think keeping PMU at 125% is important to the majority of the pilots you don't know ALPA. Somethings like Carryover and PMU are stupid and popular.

11-01-2015, 08:34 AM

#16

busdriver12

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Originally Posted by FDXLAG

If you don't think keeping PMU at 125% is important to the majority of the pilots you don't know ALPA. Somethings like Carryover and PMU are stupid and popular.

PMU could have been maintained at 125% with real time trip trading. The only thing that would have changed is the priority request. In fact,there could be an option to use your PMU in the view/add window for 125%, and people would have loved that. Easy and simple.

11-01-2015, 10:23 AM

#17

CloudSailor

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Originally Posted by busdriver12

... In fact,there could be an option to use your PMU in the view/add window for 125%, and people would have loved that. Easy and simple.

That is EXACTLY what should have been negotiated in the 4+ years they had to do this. That's why I kept saying "my NC speaks for me". I thought they were in fact working to achieve what we set out to achieve as defined by the top priorities etablished by polling of our crew force. I was ****ed at the explanation: "we caved on RTTT and in considering options to get the RTTT you overwhelmingly wanted solely to protect OTP/PMU" (paraphrasing).

I have not had PMU once in over 5 years. RTTT, I and all other guys outside of the top 5% of each seat, would use every single day (previous airline), to improve the monthly schedule = huge QOL.

Last edited by CloudSailor; 11-01-2015 at 10:34 AM.

11-01-2015, 06:46 PM

#18

Deer Hunter

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Throw work rules and QOL under the bus. All we need to pass a TA, is a TA with Cola and slick spin roadshows. We're so predictable.

11-01-2015, 07:58 PM

#19

PurpleToolBox

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Originally Posted by Huck

I'm sure another couple of years of negotiating would have fixed all this right up.....

It's people like you who shot ourselves in the foot. We had leverage, lots of leverage. I ran into a CRS fella at a bar this week. He was telling us how bad it was getting. He told me as soon as the TA came out, suddenly everything changed and everyone started flying extra again.

CRS was calling me in the morning and evening, maybe during the afternoon as well, for draft trips. Every day! Since the TA was passed, I've not received a single call.

We had leverage, the MEC ****ed it away when they sent this substandard TA, along with all kinds of problems that it doesn't fix, to the pilots.

And FedEx announces the TNT announcement just moments after the TA is passed. Coincidence?

We had leverage ... had ...