FDX/UPS - Timing is Everything!
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How long had your contract been amendable before your 2006 bonus payments? Need to know that to properly consider the size of your 2006 bonus.
Our bonus has always been sold to us as a payment to recoup the "lost" raises while negotiating. We went 2.5 years for this recent TA. The reason a lot of us are carping over our bonus is that our pay raise is essentially a 3% YOY raise from our amendable date, but our bonus falls a bit short of compensating us fully for that 2.5 years.
Our bonus has always been sold to us as a payment to recoup the "lost" raises while negotiating. We went 2.5 years for this recent TA. The reason a lot of us are carping over our bonus is that our pay raise is essentially a 3% YOY raise from our amendable date, but our bonus falls a bit short of compensating us fully for that 2.5 years.
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How long had your contract been amendable before your 2006 bonus payments? Need to know that to properly consider the size of your 2006 bonus.
Our bonus has always been sold to us as a payment to recoup the "lost" raises while negotiating. We went 2.5 years for this recent TA. The reason a lot of us are carping over our bonus is that our pay raise is essentially a 3% YOY raise from our amendable date, but our bonus falls a bit short of compensating us fully for that 2.5 years.
Our bonus has always been sold to us as a payment to recoup the "lost" raises while negotiating. We went 2.5 years for this recent TA. The reason a lot of us are carping over our bonus is that our pay raise is essentially a 3% YOY raise from our amendable date, but our bonus falls a bit short of compensating us fully for that 2.5 years.
So to answer your question, we haven't gotten a real raise since June of 06.
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I hope that settling our contract does help you guys, though it certainly wasn't all we wanted. Hoping that pressure on UPS, now that FedEx is bragging about how they don't have to negotiate anymore, will help you guys settle before peak. Or maybe they're too far apart for that to be helpful.
#14
Didn't you get yearly increases to your pay rates from '06 through '11? You don't consider those a form of a raise? Just curious.
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We got a initial raise and then a 2% increase for every year from 07 to 12, no I don't consider those raises, rather a cost of living increase. So in my opinion the last raise we got was in 06 when the contract was ratified.
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I think the 07-12 raises were 3% a year and then 4% the last year.
#20
Fedex/ALPA pilots have now twice ratified contracts before and within the time frame that UPS/IPA pilots could have delivered a (better??) contract before we (Fedex pilots) set the bar..........
You didn't
So while the details of what your union will present to you, the pilots of UPS can only be surmised. I predict, based on past events, that with a high probability, two things will happen
1. Your negotiated pay rates will be slightly higher than ours
2. Your leadership will blame Fedex/ALPA for having set the bar too low, and your (unions) hands were tied by our (Fedex) crappy deal.
With the superior leadership and unity at UPS/IPA, how is it that twice over the course of two contracts, we, the weaker pilot group and union, have been put into the position of "setting the bar" for cargo pilots ?? This has been a grand failure of both our pilots groups and no doubt, left lots of money and benefits on the table, to the benefit of our respective employers. Ask your leadership how that happened, than go out and get that contract that will make us eat humble pie. I won't hold my breath waiting.
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