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05-05-2016, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
Just to correct what I believe to be an inaccurate statement, the Atlas Teamster 1224 ExCo is not moving ahead in negotiations. The Atlas company negotiating team actually no-showed at the last negotiating session and negotiations have been suspended. Prior to this no-show, the proposals that the company brought to the table were entire contract sections cut-and-pasted straight out of our current CBA with no changes what-so-ever.
Teamsters Local 1224, filed for mediation with the National Mediation Board (NMB) recently after Atlas Air refused to engage in any further legally-mandated negotiations. Last week the federal government accepted the request of the union representing more than 1,300 pilots flying for DHL-contracted airlines Atlas Air, Inc. and Polar Air Cargo to mediate contract negotiations with the airlines.
We pilots are on the upwind side of a perfect storm where four of DHL's heavy lift providers are all:
1. Finally on the "In-Demand" side of a worldwide pilot shortage
2. Not only in the same union, but the same local chapter of that union
3. In negotiations
4. Taking (or have taken) strike votes
5. Working in very close coordination with each other
and
6. Filled with highly qualified (and p*ssed off) pilots who are ready to give up a few pitiful years of seniority to walk over to any one of a number of other airlines that offer a real career with pay, retirement, and benefits that are standard throughout the industry.
I have flown under both ALPA and Teamsters unions and I honestly believe the cohesiveness of the pilot group and the leadership strength and skills of the MEC/ExCo matter more than the parent union. The Teamster 1224 local happens to represent ABX, Atlas, Kalitta, and Southern, so DHL is screwed if they think they can whipsaw us against one another.
I will say that the 1224 leadership has been extremely transparent with the pilots and the media. It should be fairly easy to stay abreast of the current situation with minimal effort. I don't know just how closely 1224 would work with ATI, but it would clearly be in everyone's best interest if there was a constructive dialog and coordination between our groups.
We all have a common enemy and I strongly believe that if we all hold fast to the principle of same-job=same-payscale, we will all benefit.
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Teamsters Local 1224, filed for mediation with the National Mediation Board (NMB) recently after Atlas Air refused to engage in any further legally-mandated negotiations. Last week the federal government accepted the request of the union representing more than 1,300 pilots flying for DHL-contracted airlines Atlas Air, Inc. and Polar Air Cargo to mediate contract negotiations with the airlines.
We pilots are on the upwind side of a perfect storm where four of DHL's heavy lift providers are all:
1. Finally on the "In-Demand" side of a worldwide pilot shortage
2. Not only in the same union, but the same local chapter of that union
3. In negotiations
4. Taking (or have taken) strike votes
5. Working in very close coordination with each other
and
6. Filled with highly qualified (and p*ssed off) pilots who are ready to give up a few pitiful years of seniority to walk over to any one of a number of other airlines that offer a real career with pay, retirement, and benefits that are standard throughout the industry.
I have flown under both ALPA and Teamsters unions and I honestly believe the cohesiveness of the pilot group and the leadership strength and skills of the MEC/ExCo matter more than the parent union. The Teamster 1224 local happens to represent ABX, Atlas, Kalitta, and Southern, so DHL is screwed if they think they can whipsaw us against one another.
I will say that the 1224 leadership has been extremely transparent with the pilots and the media. It should be fairly easy to stay abreast of the current situation with minimal effort. I don't know just how closely 1224 would work with ATI, but it would clearly be in everyone's best interest if there was a constructive dialog and coordination between our groups.
We all have a common enemy and I strongly believe that if we all hold fast to the principle of same-job=same-payscale, we will all benefit.
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05-05-2016, 11:03 PM
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My understanding was that a successful single-carrier petition would result in a single bargaining unit (union) and a single contract but would not force a merge of the companies or seniority list.
Once you remove the financial disparity by implementing a single contract you've taken away the incentive to keep the airlines separate, however, so the parent company is more likely to merge them.
Once you remove the financial disparity by implementing a single contract you've taken away the incentive to keep the airlines separate, however, so the parent company is more likely to merge them.
05-06-2016, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
Just to correct what I believe to be an inaccurate statement, the Atlas Teamster 1224 ExCo is not moving ahead in negotiations. The Atlas company negotiating team actually no-showed at the last negotiating session and negotiations have been suspended.
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Sorry, What I meant was that you guys havent suspended them like we have in order not to pressure management in times of such change. Pilots at Atlas are in fact pursuing a contract.
LMAO basically what DC8 above said.
05-06-2016, 09:11 AM
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I would like to agree with you Motorclutch, but not so fast. On August 27, 2014, Atlas 1224 leadership and Atlas management jointly accepted and championed the precedent that it is good policy for DHL to be able to move DHL owned aircraft to another 1224 DHL carrier, furlough pilots flying them, and rehire the same pilots as new hires on another 1224 seniority list at year one seniority wages and benefits, all while flying the same aircraft and routes.
So much for seniority and solidarity within 1224 on that occasion. I suspect the support for this precedent of August 2014 for DHL leased aircraft transfer within 1224 is in one direction only though.
So much for seniority and solidarity within 1224 on that occasion. I suspect the support for this precedent of August 2014 for DHL leased aircraft transfer within 1224 is in one direction only though.
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