FedEx Passover Pay
02-11-2007, 06:06 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by nightfreight
Coffee*****,
I have had pretty much the same treatment as you have. I bid MD-11FO/MEM in bid 5-03. I was told one month prior to my training that my training was moved to October. I called the union and was told that I would not be payed passover. I didn't think the intent of the contract was to delay our training four months and put new hires in our classes, even though they were going to be based at ANC.
I have also heard from the union that the senior guys would think my gripe was weak since I didn't work the panel for 5 years before getting a window seat. I asked him if these guys have all been furloughed for 3+ years or spent 20 years in the military? I know that many have experienced much worse, but my point was we have all paid our dues to get into this job, although some of us have done it at other places. And besides, we pay our dues just like anyone else and expect representation when we experience a monetary shortfall or a quality of life issue. I'll bet a senior captain would gripe if he felt his W-2 was 20k less due to a contract loophole. Oh, and by the way, my bonus check was going to paid at S/O rates since I hadn't activated as a FO.
SNAFU,
I do appreciate your support, but not too sure about the ANC comment. I was awarded MEM in bid 05-03 (I believe Sep 05). I considered changing my bid to DC-10 in bid 06-02 (my training date was in Jul 06). I decided against it since I thought I had a training date and wasn't sure when I would have trained in the DC-10. I had no idea that the company was going to delay our training four months or I would have changed my bid. If you were in my shoes, what would you have done?
I am planning on attending the Feb 20 meeting. I believe our representation was lacking. Oh, and by the way, I also thought that the contract enforcement staff paralegal was condescending and not helpful.
I have had pretty much the same treatment as you have. I bid MD-11FO/MEM in bid 5-03. I was told one month prior to my training that my training was moved to October. I called the union and was told that I would not be payed passover. I didn't think the intent of the contract was to delay our training four months and put new hires in our classes, even though they were going to be based at ANC.
I have also heard from the union that the senior guys would think my gripe was weak since I didn't work the panel for 5 years before getting a window seat. I asked him if these guys have all been furloughed for 3+ years or spent 20 years in the military? I know that many have experienced much worse, but my point was we have all paid our dues to get into this job, although some of us have done it at other places. And besides, we pay our dues just like anyone else and expect representation when we experience a monetary shortfall or a quality of life issue. I'll bet a senior captain would gripe if he felt his W-2 was 20k less due to a contract loophole. Oh, and by the way, my bonus check was going to paid at S/O rates since I hadn't activated as a FO.
SNAFU,
I do appreciate your support, but not too sure about the ANC comment. I was awarded MEM in bid 05-03 (I believe Sep 05). I considered changing my bid to DC-10 in bid 06-02 (my training date was in Jul 06). I decided against it since I thought I had a training date and wasn't sure when I would have trained in the DC-10. I had no idea that the company was going to delay our training four months or I would have changed my bid. If you were in my shoes, what would you have done?
I am planning on attending the Feb 20 meeting. I believe our representation was lacking. Oh, and by the way, I also thought that the contract enforcement staff paralegal was condescending and not helpful.
I couldn't give a rat's arse, if you were on the panel for 5 days, or 5 years...Nor, do I give a rat's arse if you were furloughed for 30 years, or never. It's irrelevant! This contract is for all of our pilots. Sadly, even the stinkin' non-members!!
Did someone at the office actually bring up the short panel time to you, personally? And, inject that in to their reasoning?
You can throw my hat in the ring concerning the condescending attitude of our senior paralegal. And, that's not sour grapes. My problem was solved to my satisfaction, due to an unrelated issue. In other words, no thanks to him. I felt like I was talking to a Richard-head ACP. Not, my representative.
Ohhh, and I am 20+ years here.
02-11-2007, 06:27 PM
#32
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Busboy,
My comments about "Noted--have a back up plan" were directed at Wally's letter.
I generally like what he has to say, but I got out the letter pretty much what everyone else did. I didn't like it... So--my "backup" is to continue to serve in the ANG a few more years and pursue some other outside interests. It is apparent that anyone who thinks the upgrades will continue at the current pace will probably be disappointed. I expect a good portion of our over 60 folks will try to stay, and some of those left behind will try to do some sort of class action suit. But--Wally says all those guys saved us all in 1985 so its really all okay...
David at ALPA has always been helpful to me, but it sounds like he's lately forgetting who pays his salary. Looks like the 20 Feb meeting will be full of villages with torches and pitchforks. Should be interesting...
My comments about "Noted--have a back up plan" were directed at Wally's letter.
I generally like what he has to say, but I got out the letter pretty much what everyone else did. I didn't like it... So--my "backup" is to continue to serve in the ANG a few more years and pursue some other outside interests. It is apparent that anyone who thinks the upgrades will continue at the current pace will probably be disappointed. I expect a good portion of our over 60 folks will try to stay, and some of those left behind will try to do some sort of class action suit. But--Wally says all those guys saved us all in 1985 so its really all okay...
David at ALPA has always been helpful to me, but it sounds like he's lately forgetting who pays his salary. Looks like the 20 Feb meeting will be full of villages with torches and pitchforks. Should be interesting...
02-12-2007, 03:43 AM
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Here is a copy of the email stating $150 for their negotiated cancellation of passover pay:
Please be advised that due to a settlement in Grievance #02-02, Cancellation of Award/Passover Pay, you will be receiving a lump sum payment in the near future in the amount of $150.00. Such payment shall be considered earnings in the pay period it is actually made.
If you have questions, please direct them to Eric Iverson at [email protected].
Pam Herrington
Senior Paralegal
Air Line Pilots Association
FEDEX MEC
901/842-2202 Direct Line
901/751-7166 Fax
Not sure if this if for real but several JR guys have forwarded this email to me. I did not receive it.
Please be advised that due to a settlement in Grievance #02-02, Cancellation of Award/Passover Pay, you will be receiving a lump sum payment in the near future in the amount of $150.00. Such payment shall be considered earnings in the pay period it is actually made.
If you have questions, please direct them to Eric Iverson at [email protected].
Pam Herrington
Senior Paralegal
Air Line Pilots Association
FEDEX MEC
901/842-2202 Direct Line
901/751-7166 Fax
Not sure if this if for real but several JR guys have forwarded this email to me. I did not receive it.
02-12-2007, 03:53 AM
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[QUOTE=Busboy;117002]
Did someone at the office actually bring up the short panel time to you, personally? And, inject that in to their reasoning?
/QUOTE]
Here is direct cut and paste from an Email that the MEC Vice sent to me on 8 Feb 2007:
"Perhaps you have not been here long enough".
Trust me, you dont have to be here very long to know when you are being talked down to, ripped apart in the Queens English (DT), and told "ALPA isn't here to educate you on the contract" when asking questions. Numerous people have complained about Mr. Taylors "Fireside Chat" manner in this thread, I can only imagine how many pilots not on this forum have been chastised. It sounds like a little house cleaning should be in order or at least an apology.
Did someone at the office actually bring up the short panel time to you, personally? And, inject that in to their reasoning?
/QUOTE]
Here is direct cut and paste from an Email that the MEC Vice sent to me on 8 Feb 2007:
"Perhaps you have not been here long enough".
Trust me, you dont have to be here very long to know when you are being talked down to, ripped apart in the Queens English (DT), and told "ALPA isn't here to educate you on the contract" when asking questions. Numerous people have complained about Mr. Taylors "Fireside Chat" manner in this thread, I can only imagine how many pilots not on this forum have been chastised. It sounds like a little house cleaning should be in order or at least an apology.
02-12-2007, 08:57 AM
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Sleepy, Thanks for your post
Originally Posted by SleepyF18
Why don't you go by the office when you are in town for the council meeting and discuss it with Mr. Taylor in person?
Here is my last email last week:
Capt Huggins,
Called your office several times today. No answer and no reply to my message. I will keep trying.
Here is the blurb from the ALPA message line of 2-1-07 from the Vice Chairman:
"If the bedside manner of a staff member does not satisfy you on a given day
, we can be apprised and address the finer points of courtesies. But don’t expect to be coddled and entertained too far past being given an honest answer. There is no doubt that specific sections of our contract make some unhappy (looks like we have one here)
, nothing has changed from the prior contract provisions regarding eligibility for passover pay. It is what it is. In this anomalous case regarding the legitimacy of passover, the contract does not support the assertions. If it did, you would find ALPA Staff most eager to seek remedy (they do that well).Sometimes, some pilots seem spring-loaded and predisposed to turn against “ALPA” if the policies or interpretation of the day don’t suit them".
So "it is what it is", we have made numerous attempts, requesting numerous meetings, made numerous phone calls in which we are treated like ignorant, whining children.
Once again, the company trained a JR pilot out of seniority and admitted doing so. Many of us do MEET the 3 prerequisites stated in Capt Huggins "stop *****ing" or "Shut up and color" message to the masses on Feb 1. We have tried to get answers. Suggestions???
02-12-2007, 12:23 PM
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My suggestion would be to go by the office after the council meeting and meet in person with those individuals. There may be a couple at the council meeting, but the office is the place to go to if you still don't find them. If you need directions, call the 866 number and get it from them.
02-12-2007, 12:58 PM
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Honestly, what is the relevance in this situation.
I was making the point that, when senior guys tell you that you haven't paid your dues yet, you can point out that today's new hires aren't like they were in the good old days - now it takes years to amass the competitive times required for this job. Therefore, pilots may be new HERE, but they're not new at the BUSINESS.
This argument also crops up in the over-60 debate.
The whole world isn't against you Coffee B. Conserve your rounds.
02-12-2007, 12:58 PM
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Hmmm.... as helpful as the staff seems to be, I can just picture 130 FedEx guys wandering around the alleys in Downtown MEM trying to follow some "provided" directions
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