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Old 02-11-2007, 09:49 AM   #11  
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I agree, but the first step in this process is going through the grievance committee, which has been done. We'll see what the next step is. As for *****in about it on here, it's a pretty good forum for others to see what's going on.

*****ing on here won't get things fixed.............Using this forum to make contacts or see if others were affected is a valid tool.

Writing, emailing your LEC leaders and calling them and getting involved is how things get done. Often many LEC/MEC members don't even understand a specific grievance. Do you think the Block 1 or 2 really know anything about this passover pay issue? Probably not, because no one in those blocks are affected. FedEx's seniorty Status system was set up to mix the seniorty within each LEC (especially true in MEM). All you affected folks need to get organized amongst yourself and then bug the hell out of you elected officials.

In the end, things still might not work out to your satisfaction, but at least you would have done all you can and would have been involved in the process. My real point is that I hear a lot of "*****ing.What has ALPA done for ME?"

A more accurate and better question. "What have I done do ensure ALPA will support me and my fellowpilots?"

Hint: *****ing about it isn't the answer.......
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Old 02-11-2007, 09:57 AM   #12  
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I understand what you're saying. I don't think anybody was *****ing today, more of an informative posting.
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Old 02-11-2007, 10:10 AM   #13  
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I concur very educational. Everyone in the MEC should be curious about this and how it is resolved or explained. Who knows what the next deal will involve. Redeye's post also offer insight that some may have not known until *****'s *****in drew the response.

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Old 02-11-2007, 10:46 AM   #14  
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I'll bite too. With this hole in the contract, the company can hire into the ANC MD11 FO seat, train said pilot, activate that pilot in ANC, then allow them to laterally transfer to MEM on a subsequent bid. Now if you're awaiting MEM MD11 FO training, regardless of when you were awarded it, your training could be pushed back indefinitely (seat locked) as they allow the training and transfer of the activated ANC MD11 FO to take place. You'll never get a dime of Passover pay even though the Jr. pilot is sitting in the seat you want MEM MD11 FO. I'm sure that's not the intent, but the possibility exists.
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I am also glad to get info in this forum and know exactly HOW to sight in my soon-to-be incoming rounds. Perhaps as many effected by this as possible should attend the meeting on the 20th. It seems that it was going to be addressed, but has now fallen off the agenda....
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Is this beginning to scare anyone else, but me? I posted a thread a month ago concerning my misgivings about the SIG/PSIT, Chimenti/Maliniak letter, that our chairman thought we needed to give to the company. And, now this?

I'm hoping it's not a trend, with our elected ALPA leaders. If so, we have elections upcoming...
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Don't forget Wally's email about a generation stepping up and sacrificing for the good of the industry, regarding the age 60 change.

Translation: F/O's and S/O's - we're willing to sacrifice YOUR money and quality of life....
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Noted.

Sacrifice "this".

Everyone junior needs a backup plan.
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Noted.

Sacrifice "this".

Everyone junior needs a backup plan.

Huh?........
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Don't forget Wally's email about a generation stepping up and sacrificing for the good of the industry, regarding the age 60 change.

Translation: F/O's and S/O's - we're willing to sacrifice YOUR money and quality of life....
I didn't want to be the first to say it, but yeah that email is certainly an eye opener. Seems like he/ALPA national have already decided themselves what is 'best' for the profession even though 70% of his constituents believe otherwise. "Some seniority-based demographic," is one of the funniest things I've read in a while. From the timeline in the beginning that is meant to set the rule as unfair in the first place, to the attempt to muddy the waters by questioning whether or not 70% of the FDX group really still feels the same about Age 60 that email reeks of sell job. Anyone else notice that the 18-24 month timeline is off as well? Seems that we could have this thing by Nov/Dec 2007 if not earlier. Was the 18-24 month thing a diversion so that the opposition to change would more fragmented? It's also funny to listen to Prater and others continue to evoke UA in 1985 as their rallying cry-they talk about it more than those who were involved. Also it looks like the Herndon boys may want to play along with the feds, because they've weighed the pros and cons of supporting the gov't and recieving indemnification along with the companies vs. a bunch of ****ed of pilots who still have to pay their dues anyway.
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