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Old 02-12-2007, 01:40 PM
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Thanks for the info Coffee B.

I'm sorry you are getting the run around. Shouldn't be that way. This is probably why some dudes are non-members.



That said, and I'm sure you agree, it sure is a good time to be at FedEx. Quick upgrades and a profitable future. Industry leading pay too.



Are pilots required to work contract issues thru ALPA? Could you hire an attorney to work with the company on your behalf? Seems like the best option since ALPA is not interested in your issue (your interest is not in their interest)

How can ALPA work a settlement that lowered the payout without your explicit consent?
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Old 02-13-2007, 02:49 AM
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Almost 2300 viewings of this post in just a few days. Recommend everyone request a copy of Grievance 02-02 that ALPA negotiated/signed with FedEx on Jan 10, 2007. For some reason, the signed resolution is not being provided to numerous pilots requesting a copy. It would be nice to see what was signed prior to the Feb 20 meeting so we can show up educated. I have made several attempts but still nothing provided to this ALPA member.
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Old 02-13-2007, 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Coffee ***** View Post
Almost 2300 viewings of this post in just a few days. Recommend everyone request a copy of Grievance 02-02 that ALPA negotiated/signed with FedEx on Jan 10, 2007. For some reason, the signed resolution is not being provided to numerous pilots requesting a copy. It would be nice to see what was signed prior to the Feb 20 meeting so we can show up educated. I have made several attempts but still nothing provided to this ALPA member.
Have you tried requesting a copy under the Freedom of Information Act? I don't know if it applies to this situation, but if you look it up, I'm sure you can find out. If it does apply, then they are required to give you the info in a specified time period or face the payment of monetary damages to you.
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Old 02-13-2007, 04:05 AM
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CB,

Sometimes the climb to the top ain't worth the view. I'm not saying you shouldn't stick to your guys on this one, just that you really don't want to get the kind of reputation that will then not allow you some nice perks later on in your career here. Things such as helping get your old buds hired, maybe getting into training or management, etc, etc.

Good luck.
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Old 02-13-2007, 04:22 AM
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FWIW..David has always been respectful and helpful to me, even when I asked dumb questions. He is constantly barraged with questions by lazy pilots who refuse to read even the most easily understood questions in the contract and just want the easy way out. That is not what we pay dues for IMO. Expecting pilots to understand and follow the contract we voted for is not too much to ask. If David shows frustration with guys who have done their research and have legitimate questions I am sure it is the exception and not the norm.

That being said, this issue does not seem to be one of those easy ones and I can see where there are legitimate concerns. It will be interesting how it all plays out. In the last contract I know we lost many grievances we thought would be slam dunks in our favor. Maybe the lesson learned was to try and negotiate the best result we could without the grievance being settled against us? I don't know but something does seem out of kilter. I do know the company has been paying a heck of a lot of MD-11 Capt and F/O passover pay this last year and maybe the union thought a ruling against us might end up hurting them as well? Again, all conjecture at this point on my part but I am just trying to see their side of the coin as to why we would negotiate this outcome.

As far as our MEC Vice Chairman goes, it has long been said he has been away from the line too long. His correspondence seems to back that up to me and I will be pushing for some new blood next time around. I suggest you all do the same if you feel the same way.

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Old 02-13-2007, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Coffee ***** View Post
Remember that the JR pilot HAD NOT STARTED training for his ANC bid. He had a July 06 class date for that bid. Once bid 06-02 came out, some lost their bid from 05-03 but this person did not. (Many Many precidents have been set previously, i.e. your new bid negates your previous bid if you haven't begun training). The JR pilot did lose his July 06 class date, the company moved it to Nov 30, 2006 to make way for all the Nuggets and began paying him passover pay in Sept. According to the company, they made a mistake and did not remove him from the previous bid. Therefore we all had the same bid, same seat, same aircraft, and same domicile. At best it is a gray area and not Cut & Dried as it seems the union decided. We still await a reason to why this negotiated "intervening award" phraseology (is that a word?) was even considered. Why didnt the union take this gray area and press for a resolution that benefits the members in a situation when the company admitted a mistake?
Coffee B, two things:

1. If the company ADMITTED to making a mistake and paying passover, they almost ALWAYS dock said person's check and get it back. I personally know of situations where either passover, or LCA pay was paid when it shouldn't have. They caught it (company mistake), and the affected crewmember has to pay it back. So, maybe you should contact the person that was getting the passover and see if they are paying it back.

2. Secondly, I am a firm believer in your RIGHT to b!tch, complain, inquire, call the ALPA office every freaking day if you want, because YOU are a member, and YOU pay dues. You are paying for representation and if you don't feel like you are getting it, you are absolutely within your rights to do what you are doing. If you are told to "simmer down now" by WH, or anybody else, tell them to kiss off. Keep fighting your fight and hopefully you will get some satisfaction. I'd walk into the office at 8am and wait for WH to show up. Wait all day if you have to.

I absolutely agree it is time to churn the bucket of some of these folks that have lost touch with reality. I don't care how elegant a writer you are, it's time for a fresh perspective.

Lastly, if you don't believe that ALPA is good for you and me, you are wrong. We have what we have because of the organization. BUT, if you think that there isn't "behind the doors" stuff that goes on, you are wrong there too. I was an MEC member at a major carrier in another life, and trust me, there are things that stay behind the door. Kinda like a double-edged sword.

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Old 02-13-2007, 05:20 AM
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I may be way off the mark here, but I believe the junior pilot in question (pilot #2) has finished training and has activated in ANC. Until (unless) he activates in MEM (didn't happen in Feb or Mar) there isn't a passover issue for MEM guys. What am I missing?
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Old 02-13-2007, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by LEROY View Post
I may be way off the mark here, but I believe the junior pilot in question (pilot #2) has finished training and has activated in ANC. Until (unless) he activates in MEM (didn't happen in Feb or Mar) there isn't a passover issue for MEM guys. What am I missing?
You are off the mark. A total of 4 have activated to MEM and none has bid more than 1 month in ANC. At least 2 only did a custom line in ANC before activating to MEM.
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Old 02-13-2007, 06:26 AM
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Even if he does activate in Memphis it won't trigger passover pay for guys waiting for training in Memphis. If the guy bid ANC and those guys bid Mem, the ANC guy will never trigger passover pay for the Mem dudes. It has to be same seat, same domicile, same (or later) bid. If the guy can lateral over before the other guys train that is just the way it goes. If they want the pay they need to bid ANC and then take their chances lateraling back to Mem.

If I've read the posts correctly though, it sounds like one guy never went to ANC, his bid was canceled and he went straight to Mem. I think the guys have a beef if that occurred.

In any case the staff and officers of the union better treat the guys with respect and give the same level of effort to their case as they would an international widebody Captains about to retire, you know the ones they just blew in our last contract. I have no problem with the widebody Captions getting most or all of the increases, but they still need to take care of the FOs and SOs who also help move the freight. Treating dues paying members like that is inexcusable, as is the pitiful bonus the SOs were awarded in the contract.
 
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Originally Posted by SNAFU View Post
If I've read the posts correctly though, it sounds like one guy never went to ANC, his bid was canceled and he went straight to Mem. I think the guys have a beef if that occurred.
The actuall number is 6.
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