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04-14-2018, 11:37 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by JediCheese
Yes, but the pilots get violated/disciplined for being idiots and doing boneheaded stuff. Management, not so much...
04-14-2018, 08:14 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by MGMTiswatchingU
You are absolutely correct Mr. Cheese, there are a hand full of people I have around here that could use some hard discipline for dropping the ball on stuff in the recent past.
Is this your way of confessing?
10-18-2018, 05:25 AM
#44
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Posts: 44
Originally Posted by Excargodog
☝🏼️ My favorite posting of this thread. We are seeing the law of unintended consequences coming back to bite us in the arse.
The Colgan inspired changes have put us in a place where CFIs with 1500 hours of mainly puttering around the local pattern in 152s doing innumerable stop and goes while keeping student pilots from killing themselves or bending the equipment, coupled with an instrument ticket that has never actually been used constitutes the lowest common denominator FO for scheduled airline service and, worse yet, that person is being supervised by someone with the same credentials (or lack of credentials) who upgraded after they added a thousand hours of 121 SIC time.
We are in for some interesting times, in the Chinese curse definition of that phrase.
The Colgan inspired changes have put us in a place where CFIs with 1500 hours of mainly puttering around the local pattern in 152s doing innumerable stop and goes while keeping student pilots from killing themselves or bending the equipment, coupled with an instrument ticket that has never actually been used constitutes the lowest common denominator FO for scheduled airline service and, worse yet, that person is being supervised by someone with the same credentials (or lack of credentials) who upgraded after they added a thousand hours of 121 SIC time.
We are in for some interesting times, in the Chinese curse definition of that phrase.
I'm shocked that you guys have no protection on extentions or getting back a day off you are owed. I'd say the union needs to put a stop to the extensions on a day off stuff. No wording can go in both directions. You have a schedule and that is the agreement. Pilots can start interpreting the contract as they see fit, so as the company does. If extensions are being done to you into a day off, I'd say that is a JR assignment and needs to follow JR guidelines.
10-18-2018, 06:49 AM
#45
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Posts: 44
Originally Posted by TURF17
It is not just at the regional level but also seeing it at the LCCs. Filling classes is the name of the game and their are many classes to be filled by people moving up, sideways, and backwards. Mangmnt won't make a move unless amount of flights cancelled hits that sweet spot to many times.
I'm shocked that you guys have no protection on extentions or getting back a day off you are owed. I'd say the union needs to put a stop to the extensions on a day off stuff. No wording can go in both directions. You have a schedule and that is the agreement. Pilots can start interpreting the contract as they see fit, so as the company does. If extensions are being done to you into a day off, I'd say that is a JR assignment and needs to follow JR guidelines.
I'm shocked that you guys have no protection on extentions or getting back a day off you are owed. I'd say the union needs to put a stop to the extensions on a day off stuff. No wording can go in both directions. You have a schedule and that is the agreement. Pilots can start interpreting the contract as they see fit, so as the company does. If extensions are being done to you into a day off, I'd say that is a JR assignment and needs to follow JR guidelines.
When it hits the fan in IROPs etc, EVERY pilot is a reserve pilot. If your flights cancel, you will NOT be released. You will sit "conditional reserve" at the airport for 5, 6, 7, 8 hours. No day room. Just sit there for seven straight hours. The union can't/won't do anything.
10-18-2018, 07:20 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by MikeC5
Good luck with that if you come here.
When it hits the fan in IROPs etc, EVERY pilot is a reserve pilot. If your flights cancel, you will NOT be released. You will sit "conditional reserve" at the airport for 5, 6, 7, 8 hours. No day room. Just sit there for seven straight hours. The union can't/won't do anything.
When it hits the fan in IROPs etc, EVERY pilot is a reserve pilot. If your flights cancel, you will NOT be released. You will sit "conditional reserve" at the airport for 5, 6, 7, 8 hours. No day room. Just sit there for seven straight hours. The union can't/won't do anything.
10-18-2018, 07:54 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by Freebreakfast11
This is the truth, and IROP seemed to be half the days this summer in EWR. Pretty much any time weather moves through EWR there will be cancellations, extensions and line holders sitting reserve.
10-28-2018, 08:32 AM
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For reference, at Xjet this basically doesn't happen. If you cancel they may or may not assign you to something else, but they generally won't have you sit endlessly at the airport. 100% pay protection. They won't roll your day off unless it's something beyond their control (like cancelling at an outstation). If they roll you, get your choice of 150% (3.75 min) on the rolled day, or an additional day off next month (something will be dropped from your schedule with pay protection). If you're already at min days off for next month, you'll get *both*.
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