Lines and Average Trips
08-28-2021, 09:26 PM
#2
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Originally Posted by Sloneckozzz
What is the current time on reserve for someone who just got hired?
Also what is the current time from class to line? Including IOE?
Also what is the current time from class to line? Including IOE?
08-29-2021, 04:57 AM
#3
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One advantage with C5 is at least you will know within six months if you are in United or not. If you get a yes, then United will pick you up in less than 3 years. If you don't get in then move on to an AA regional for a 10 year flow!
08-29-2021, 06:07 AM
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This is a hard question to answer as hiring has slowed to a trickle. The answer above is true for anyone who joined last month. It remains to be seen what the progression of the small number hired this month will be. I am always happy to answer PMs.
My general advice is go somewhere else but there are situations where C5 makes sense.
My general advice is go somewhere else but there are situations where C5 makes sense.
08-31-2021, 08:07 PM
#5
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Originally Posted by Sloneckozzz
What is the current time on reserve for someone who just got hired?
Also what is the current time from class to line? Including IOE?
Also what is the current time from class to line? Including IOE?
Originally Posted by Ducksaucelover
Won’t be long. Massive attrition going on currently and it’s all hands on deck. Bodies out the door each day are outpacing those coming in with the new hire classes.
09-01-2021, 07:45 AM
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This but for every UAX regional..
Originally Posted by dmspilot
Depends on base mostly, IAD is very senior, IAH in the middle, and DEN is junior.
The company thinks it doesn't need to do anything to attract FOs to come to C5 because they're so short on captains and are able to get FOs in classes. But in reailty they are too short sighted to realize that offering incentives and QOL to attract quality FOs will give them a source of quality captains in the future. The FOs here seem to be failing upgrade training in significant numbers. (I speculate this is not due to shortcomings of the training department but rather the fact that the company is attracting below-average FOs, however, both could be factors). Of course even the captain incentives are looking lackluster now as well compared to what other airlines are offering.
The company thinks it doesn't need to do anything to attract FOs to come to C5 because they're so short on captains and are able to get FOs in classes. But in reailty they are too short sighted to realize that offering incentives and QOL to attract quality FOs will give them a source of quality captains in the future. The FOs here seem to be failing upgrade training in significant numbers. (I speculate this is not due to shortcomings of the training department but rather the fact that the company is attracting below-average FOs, however, both could be factors). Of course even the captain incentives are looking lackluster now as well compared to what other airlines are offering.
term bonuses. Garbage in garbage out.
09-01-2021, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by dmspilot
Depends on base mostly, IAD is very senior, IAH in the middle, and DEN is junior.
The company thinks it doesn't need to do anything to attract FOs to come to C5 because they're so short on captains and are able to get FOs in classes. But in reailty they are too short sighted to realize that offering incentives and QOL to attract quality FOs will give them a source of quality captains in the future. The FOs here seem to be failing upgrade training in significant numbers. (I speculate this is not due to shortcomings of the training department but rather the fact that the company is attracting below-average FOs, however, both could be factors). Of course even the captain incentives are looking lackluster now as well compared to what other airlines are offering.
The company thinks it doesn't need to do anything to attract FOs to come to C5 because they're so short on captains and are able to get FOs in classes. But in reailty they are too short sighted to realize that offering incentives and QOL to attract quality FOs will give them a source of quality captains in the future. The FOs here seem to be failing upgrade training in significant numbers. (I speculate this is not due to shortcomings of the training department but rather the fact that the company is attracting below-average FOs, however, both could be factors). Of course even the captain incentives are looking lackluster now as well compared to what other airlines are offering.
09-01-2021, 04:14 PM
#8
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Originally Posted by Fox51
QOL is **** and the execs don't seem to want to do anything to change it other than more short
term bonuses. Garbage in garbage out.
term bonuses. Garbage in garbage out.
Have you seen how few we've been able to hire just the past month compared to late 2020?
They will HAVE to offer close to what the best regionals have if they want to be able to attract pilots to grow. This pilot group is very likely to vote down anything that isn't in the top half of the rest of the regional industry....and not just in terms of pay, but probably more importantly work rules.
09-01-2021, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dead meat
Can you provide specific numbers? What would you consider a "significant" amount?
Last edited by dmspilot; 09-01-2021 at 06:36 PM.
09-06-2021, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ducksaucelover
Won’t be long. Massive attrition going on currently and it’s all hands on deck. Bodies out the door each day are outpacing those coming in with the new hire classes. As for IOE, depends on if you’re an FO or CA. CAs at the moment have priority and it’s 4-5 weeks and growing as we lose LCAs to other places. Best bet, go to a AA/DL WO and make $$ sitting reserve. Or you could roll the dice and hope the new contract here is decent, and then you will be sitting at fantastic seniority. However, you will still be making significantly less still than AA/DL WO.
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