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12-02-2024 | 11:55 AM

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DCAbaron

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Originally Posted by 11atsomto

you mean like thier A319's and A320's?

A couple differences:

1). The CRJs and ERJs have far more cycles on them.

2). The 737 and the Airbus are still being produced and have much better product support and a better supply of parts than the ERJ/CRJ which haven’t been made in years.

12-03-2024 | 03:06 AM

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dreadFOroberts

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Originally Posted by tallpilot

It might not be that long. Everyone has made public statements that 50-seaters are on the way out. That doesn't mean I would go to a 50 seat operator looking for a quick transition.
C5 is cheap and more reliable than Mesa. It also has the benefit of being exclusive unlike United's other partners(besides the union busting alter ego carrier from STL). Don't count them out.

Mesa is also exclusive - they have been for quite a while - they shed their AA flying (which Air Wisconsin picked up) quite a while ago. UA owns a large stake in them, just like they do C5.

Also, I believe SKYW just bought some CRJ550s, did they not?

12-03-2024 | 05:41 AM

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Mustang1962

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I'm not sure why United has this penchant for using bottom tier organizations for their regional feed. Cost? Other than SkyWest, their regionals (and all of their Aviate regionals) are absolute bottom of the barrel with regard to pay and works rules. Many had hoped that an outcome of the last pilot shortage would be the the end of these subpar outfits, but it looks like the hiring slow down has put that on pause again.

12-03-2024 | 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang1962

Show me on this stuffed airplaine where they touched you....

12-03-2024 | 06:20 PM

#25

tallpilot

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Originally Posted by YLight

The music has almost come to a stop, so get comfortable. Say bye to the bonuses, reduced hiring mins, and other incentives. This industry never saw the good times for pilots like it has in the last few years. Too bad about the E3 helping C5 stall negotiation progress during the good times. It will take a few years of slump for some to realize how it all works. Anyways, see you at the next hiring boom.

Is it really true that airport reserve is gone? This was the biggest pain point of being junior at C5 in my opinion.

12-03-2024 | 06:33 PM

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DirectTo

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Originally Posted by dreadFOroberts

Mesa is also exclusive - they have been for quite a while - they shed their AA flying (which Air Wisconsin picked up) quite a while ago.

That's an interesting way to rephrase "were kicked to the curb". When you're so unreliable your mainline contracter replaces you with CRJ-200s, that says something.

12-04-2024 | 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mustang1962

I'm not sure why United has this penchant for using bottom tier organizations for their regional feed. Cost? Other than SkyWest, their regionals (and all of their Aviate regionals) are absolute bottom of the barrel with regard to pay and works rules. Many had hoped that an outcome of the last pilot shortage would be the the end of these subpar outfits, but it looks like the hiring slow down has put that on pause again.

Yes, cost. Absolutely. That has been United's MO for decades when it comes to the regional game; stay diversified, keep contractors as replaceable as possible, and when the times get tough, whipsaw them against each other to save a buck. The surviving carrier has to operate on the razor-thin profit margin that they promised, and what you get is a low-quality product. The modern day CommuteAir is a watered down ExpressJet and Trans States zombie that got to survive because their management was willing to do ExpressJet's job for less and could run their operation with less chaos and turnover than Trans States.

12-04-2024 | 12:02 PM

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StaticPorts

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tallpilot

Is it really true that airport reserve is gone? This was the biggest pain point of being junior at C5 in my opinion.

The new LOA removes airport reserve. In its place, is Quick Ready Reserve (QRR). It’s a 12hr shift with a 1hr call out timeframe. While on QRR, the company pays for a hotel room for you to stay in during your reserve days. If you are called, you have 1 hr to report to the aircraft. Unless it’s for an overnight assignment, you don’t have to checkout of the hotel room and will return to it after your assignment.

While it’s still a short callout and you still need to be pretty close to the airport, the company now pays for your hotel while on QRR and you still have 6 commuter hotel rooms per month while you are on reserve.

12-04-2024 | 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DCAbaron

I was told the CRJ is a 20-25 year airplane. With the 700 lasting the longest over the 200/900.. And the ERJ being a 35 year plane…

12-14-2024 | 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DCAbaron

2). The 737 and the Airbus are still being produced and have much better product support and a better supply of parts than the ERJ/CRJ which haven’t been made in years.

To add a little more detail on this point: Some OEM's are discontinuing product support for components for the CRJ's and ERJ's. This can make product support a bit trickier at scale. Translation = It will only get harder (more expensive?) to maintain these fleets moving forward.