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BobbyLeeSwagger 04-09-2019 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by Taco280AI (Post 2799452)
Pilots, if you're sick please call out. Been going through a lot of sani wipes and hand sanitizer recently trying not to get sick from them too.

+1. How do you guys handle a sick FA? Some of you might remember the big issue in-flight management had with pilots calling in sick for their FAs back in 2015-16. The pilots were told by the CP office to stop and call them instead if they had a problem, not crew scheduling because we are not in the chain of command to call in sick for them.. Most had big problems with that.. Destination safety anyone? Anyway.

So I guess now the question is how far do you really want escalate the situation? Often we don't find out that they are sick until later and they most likely will not want you to say anything. Many will downplay their sickness and say they're alright. Or can't afford to lose their job... Etc.

Obviously you can't be spineless out there, if you are uncomfortable you shouldn't block out, but I guess I'm asking where you draw the line, because the FAs have forced you to draw it for them by showing up to work sick...

Thoughts?

PanchoBarnes 04-09-2019 11:53 AM

BLS I seriously wonder the same thing. I’ve had conversations about it with other pilots as well, and believe it really puts us between a rock and a hard place.

I don’t care if an FA has some sniffles and wants to continue, but I’ve seen some (and Pilots as well) who really shouldn’t be at work. I don’t want to catch it, and I’m sure passengers don’t either.

I’ve encouraged some to call out before, and 1 or 2 have. Most fear being fired over it, which is a ridiculous scare tactic.

FlytheSky 04-09-2019 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 2799593)
+1. How do you guys handle a sick FA? Some of you might remember the big issue in-flight management had with pilots calling in sick for their FAs back in 2015-16. The pilots were told by the CP office to stop and call them instead if they had a problem, not crew scheduling because we are not in the chain of command to call in sick for them.. Most had big problems with that.. Destination safety anyone? Anyway.

So I guess now the question is how far do you really want escalate the situation? Often we don't find out that they are sick until later and they most likely will not want you to say anything. Many will downplay their sickness and say they're alright. Or can't afford to lose their job... Etc.

Obviously you can't be spineless out there, if you are uncomfortable you shouldn't block out, but I guess I'm asking where you draw the line, because the FAs have forced you to draw it for them by showing up to work sick...

Thoughts?

I had one flight attendant that got sick in the middle of the trip. She was on the fence about calling in sick when we got to LAX, and I said she should. Fortunately (or unfortunately) her sickness got bad enough that it was obvious for her to call in sick, and she did. Other than that, I never had any issues with sick FAs during my time at CPZ.

If I was in a hypothetical scenario where I'd have a sick FA who doesn't want to call in sick, I'd want to have a conversation with them about that and find out what's going on. I'd imagine over the course of the conversation I'd be able to first evaluate the scenario, make up my own mind about their fitness for duty, and then be able to convince them to my way of thinking if I needed to (usually by trying to lead them down the path of "well, in the event of a rapid depressurization, will you be able to perform your job duties properly, or assist in the event of an evacuation?").

waflyboy 04-10-2019 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by PanchoBarnes (Post 2799676)
I’ve encouraged some to call out before, and 1 or 2 have. Most fear being fired over it, which is a ridiculous scare tactic.

Regardless of whether or not an FAA actually calls out sick, if their decision to do so is influenced by fear of being fired I would consider writing an ASAP. That would at least get the FAA's eyes on it.

BobbyLeeSwagger 04-10-2019 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by waflyboy (Post 2800520)
Regardless of whether or not an FAA actually calls out sick, if their decision to do so is influenced by fear of being fired I would consider writing an ASAP. That would at least get the FAA's eyes on it.

Are you saying you would ASAP a flight where they wouldn't call out sick but flew anyway? Or if they did call in sick but almost didn't because of fear of being fired? I'm not following

AirBat 04-10-2019 03:58 PM

If they feel pressurized to fly sick they should grow a backbone and file an ASAP in their new program. Destination safety. They’ll be fine.

BobbyLeeSwagger 04-10-2019 04:05 PM

Dont you need to have done something on accident to qualify for an ASAP program? How would flying sick fit into this? I could only see an in-flight illness scenario applying in which case you are required to file a crew report.. So I'm confused how the ASAP program applies to this?

ShooterMcGavin 04-10-2019 05:46 PM

Didn’t half the FAs call out a couple weekends ago? They should all be healthy and ready to service the customers by now

poorflyer 04-10-2019 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by ShooterMcGavin (Post 2800623)
Didn’t half the FAs call out a couple weekends ago? They should all be healthy and ready to service the customers by now

Do they have the same protection like us if the company asks for a doctors note then the company pays for it? Cause I can see them not wanting to pay for a doctor when they bring in $1200 a month.

GrassstripflyerZSE 04-10-2019 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by ShooterMcGavin (Post 2800623)
Didn’t half the FAs call out a couple weekends ago? They should all be healthy and ready to service the customers by now

It wasn't that they called out sick....when opentime went live they could drop trips all they wanted...and lots did just that...


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