poorflyer

There was a time a few months back that the failures for new hires were outstandingly high and was even mentioned on an employee call. Who was failing is probably only known by instructors but the rumors started that it was mostly those with less current fixed wing/instrument time.

Excargodog

I think everyone is sort of over analyzing the RTP situation. After the hiring freeze and sudden increase in attrition as the majors started hiring a lot of people, Compass got tremendously short of FOs. They instituted the bonus and even allowed RTP people to borrow against their anticipated bonus. By these means, the company largely made up the backlog and - if what the APC profile is showing for pilot numbers is true - will be fully staffed once everybody currently in training is done with IOE.

Now that doesn't mean hiring will stop - there is still continuing attrition as people move to other jobs - but the backlog that required the larger numbers (which were a challenge for instructor and sim availability) has been largely alleviated.

That being the case, the company is again cutting back class sizes and bonus amounts.

koala98g

That’s the ticket. And....I’m new, but.....so the cycle (re)begins...?

VIRotate

This.

Filler

Cyio

lol, been hearing an LAX base for years. Its a pervasive myth, right up until it isn't.

VIRotate

2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and now 2019. At this rate, I'll be getting my water cannon salute on the 797-900LRMAXNEO by the time these rumors actually come into fruition.

rickair7777

This is along-standing fact, and has been known by the majors for decades, which is why they don't hire RW pilots.

Regionals are hurtin' now, so they are getting creative.

RW pilots are not worse than FW pilots but they are different. The problems are training risk, and also the reality that an RW pilot with low FW time may not have the right instincts in a gusty crosswind landing.

Taco280AI

Here we go again... the Cessna 150 pilot cruising around on a sunny afternoon is better than the dual turbine engine, 22000 pound, military helicopter pilot who has deployed into combat, sometimes flying up "high" and sometimes at 30' AGL @ 145 KIAS, pulling a 200 foot orbit over the medevac bird in a hot LZ while hearing the gunfire below over the ear pro and noise of the helicopter, while monitoring five different radios and staying calm under pressure... yeah we suck, are the only training failures, FW pilots are gods, we should be blessed to even be in your presence.


There any fact based numbers for that THIS DECADE?

SlamClicker

After you remove that pine cone, reread that post.

He said “different”, not “better” and RW is different from FW. Moving to airline training from a RW comes with its own challenges in addition to those that a FW gets - airline training has a high failure rate to begin with.

And yes, it is well know in airline training departments that RW pilots come with their additional set of challenges more often then not. It’s a fact of life just like a FW guy with prior jet time will do better than a FW guy with nothing but 172 time - again more often then not. There are exceptions in every scenario.

Taco280AI

I get that. I'd just like to see numbers from this decade showing rotor guys fail at higher rates, not from decades ago. Without anything to back it up rumors are worthless (directed at poorflyer's comment).

I've known some terrible rotor pilots and wondered how they even got through. But in training they weren't the ones who failed, set back, or needed additional time. Small sample size, but personal observation.

If there are numbers from this decade to prove that, I'll happily shut up and just be disappointed in my fellow RW pilots for making us all look bad.