Question for Compass Pilots
01-16-2008 | 08:01 PM
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"Snap" WHO SAYS THAT!!! Next time you talk to those people, tell them they should do some research. Maybe if we pilots could find a way to stick together not try to start rumors and cause problems for each other we would have a chance to improve our working conditions. Sorry, I know you were just asking. But by asking you are just helping those people stir up crap that distracts us from working together!!
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01-17-2008 | 06:40 PM
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I may be wrong, but wasnt Gojets started by management because they wanted a low cost way to increase the size of aircraft flown and not pay the pilots any more. Totally against what the pilot group and union wanted.
Compass was started and agreed upon by management and pilots at NWA (even though not all are happy). I think it was originally the way to bring all pilots off of furlough before they realized they needed them all at mainline. (although only 3 did it, most dont want to deal with the mess of NWA anymore)
That is my understanding. I may be wrong on some things , but if they did not want it then they should not have agreed to having it.
01-17-2008 | 06:55 PM
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The difference is that it was voted on by NWA pilots. They agreed to Compass and a flow through. Compass is union and shares the same ALPA MEC with NWA. If NWA were to have a furlough they can flow down to Compass.
01-18-2008 | 06:45 AM
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I may be wrong, but wasnt Gojets started by management because they wanted a low cost way to increase the size of aircraft flown and not pay the pilots any more. Totally against what the pilot group and union wanted.
Compass was started and agreed upon by management and pilots at NWA (even though not all are happy). I think it was originally the way to bring all pilots off of furlough before they realized they needed them all at mainline. (although only 3 did it, most dont want to deal with the mess of NWA anymore)
That is my understanding. I may be wrong on some things , but if they did not want it then they should not have agreed to having it.
Compass was started and agreed upon by management and pilots at NWA (even though not all are happy). I think it was originally the way to bring all pilots off of furlough before they realized they needed them all at mainline. (although only 3 did it, most dont want to deal with the mess of NWA anymore)
That is my understanding. I may be wrong on some things , but if they did not want it then they should not have agreed to having it.
ahhh i see now
01-18-2008 | 11:14 AM
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Guys relax, I Am not flame bait....... you guys are really jumping all over me for asking a QUESTIONNNNNNN... and it was made clear to me why people may "call" it scab by one of the above posters.....question answered, Ill shut up now! Sheesh
01-18-2008 | 02:25 PM
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Mesaba also operates overgrown RJs for NWA. I have never heard Mesaba in the same sentence as "scab".
I think the difference is that in beginning NWA managment wanted to start this new airline (newco) and run 100+ seat airplanes there. This would have lead to over 1,000 furloughs at the mainline (NWA, in their generoscity, offered to hire them back at first year pay.) This was big news during the restructuring which started in September 2005. I think that many people who are not up on industry news still think of Compass as newco and that's why you hear it in the same sentence as "scab".
The compromise is what you see today. NWA ALPA required management to start a new subsidiary to operate large RJs (Compass). The requirements of this new airline per the NWA contract are as follows:
I think the difference is that in beginning NWA managment wanted to start this new airline (newco) and run 100+ seat airplanes there. This would have lead to over 1,000 furloughs at the mainline (NWA, in their generoscity, offered to hire them back at first year pay.) This was big news during the restructuring which started in September 2005. I think that many people who are not up on industry news still think of Compass as newco and that's why you hear it in the same sentence as "scab".
The compromise is what you see today. NWA ALPA required management to start a new subsidiary to operate large RJs (Compass). The requirements of this new airline per the NWA contract are as follows:
- Wholly-owned & can’t be sold (until they pick & take the first 10 deliveries of a 77-110 seat DC9 replacement);
- Flow down/up agreement;
- Represented by ALPA;
- Must have an industry standard contract by the time the E-175 starts revenue service.
01-18-2008 | 04:43 PM
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Mesaba also operates overgrown RJs for NWA. I have never heard Mesaba in the same sentence as "scab".
I think the difference is that in beginning NWA managment wanted to start this new airline (newco) and run 100+ seat airplanes there. This would have lead to over 1,000 furloughs at the mainline (NWA, in their generoscity, offered to hire them back at first year pay.) This was big news during the restructuring which started in September 2005. I think that many people who are not up on industry news still think of Compass as newco and that's why you hear it in the same sentence as "scab".
The compromise is what you see today. NWA ALPA required management to start a new subsidiary to operate large RJs (Compass). The requirements of this new airline per the NWA contract are as follows:
I think the difference is that in beginning NWA managment wanted to start this new airline (newco) and run 100+ seat airplanes there. This would have lead to over 1,000 furloughs at the mainline (NWA, in their generoscity, offered to hire them back at first year pay.) This was big news during the restructuring which started in September 2005. I think that many people who are not up on industry news still think of Compass as newco and that's why you hear it in the same sentence as "scab".
The compromise is what you see today. NWA ALPA required management to start a new subsidiary to operate large RJs (Compass). The requirements of this new airline per the NWA contract are as follows:
- Wholly-owned & can’t be sold (until they pick & take the first 10 deliveries of a 77-110 seat DC9 replacement);
- Flow down/up agreement;
- Represented by ALPA;
- Must have an industry standard contract by the time the E-175 starts revenue service.
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