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Originally Posted by typical41 (Post 1674716)

Here is a chart I made of some month-to-month staffing numbers for Compass, as the flows depart and as more of aircraft come online next year. While this chart is not going to be completely accurate, I do believe it illustrates the need for us to be filling classes of more than 20 per month, beginning now. Even if we did start right now with 20 per month, it still leaves Compass with an extreme understaffed situation come fall of 2015.

Some of the assumptions for the numbers in the chart(BTW - This does not indicate what I think will or should happen. These assumptions are for demonstration purposes only):

*470 seniority list pilots needed to staff the 42 airplanes Compass currently operates for Delta.

*20 new hires a month beginning in July

*1 pilot per month on average leaving Compass for anything other than DL Flow

*Active Pilots in this example only refers to the number of pilots who are NOT in initial new-hire training or Upgrade training. In this example it has NOTHING to do with instructor pilots, other non-biding pilots, etc.

*Pilots in training number of 80 (for most of the months) is assuming 60-70 new-hires in training at any given time, as well as 10 -20 upgrades for any give time. Yes, I know this is not accurate, it will most likely be more than this for any given month. Again, just an example.

So what you're saying is that Compass is hanging onto the tail of the plane as usual with no plan in place to get back into the driver's seat. We should be at the very least hiring more instructors and check airmen right now to prepare for the massive training wave. I'm sure it will work out somehow, it always has, but it will be a complete goat rope as usual only worse. We do have some smart people in the training scheduling department right now though. I know there was a chart in the office there with all the training schedule from now til the end of 2015...but that was before the AA announcement so that can go right in the garbage. It's too bad, I hear the chart guy was really proud of it.

In regards to the upgrade question...upgrade time will come down to under 2 years here soon I think and should be that way for a almost a year. I don't have a chart, that's just a SWAG (Scientific Wild Ass Guess).

What makes you guys think it will be only 20 a month?

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Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1674876)

What makes you guys think it will be only 20 a month?

I agree, what do the numbers look like if they go to 30-35 new hires per month?

I can only imagine the AA proposal includes an additional sim and possibly IPT.

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Originally Posted by Broncoav8r (Post 1674887)

I agree, what do the numbers look like if they go to 30-35 new hires per month?

I can only imagine the AA proposal includes an additional sim and possibly IPT.

20/month is what the other regionals have been able to attract.

Perhaps Compass being seen as a more desirable destination that PSA or Mesa will allow them the extra 10-15/month.

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Originally Posted by captnmo (Post 1674840)

Thanks for the chart. What do you think upgrade times will be from here going forward? My hire date is June 12 2014. I know it's really a guesstamite based on current information .

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If I had to guess, for June 2014 new-hire I would say upgrade time would be right at 1 year to 14 months. Come late fall/early winter 2014, upgrade time will drop to less than 18 months. Again though, just a guess.

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Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1674876)

What makes you guys think it will be only 20 a month?

If you are referring to what I posted, I said specifically in my post that I did not think it would be 20 new hires per month. I only used that number in the chart to illustrate the need to be filling full classes now, rather than waiting a few months.

The most difficult thing for Compass will be getting pilots through IOE and on the line. I think Compass is going to have more than enough resources to get upwards of 30-40 pilots through ground school and sims, every month. I believe that the real hang up will be check airmen being able to give people their OE. We have already been running into that in the past few months. Of course they can hire more check airmen, I know, but they better get on that right now too. It takes 2-3 months, sometimes more just to train a check airman.

Two things need to happen very quickly, IMO....(1) we need A LOT more check airmen very soon and (2) I hope even TSH realizes that this time around, it will NOT be possible to delay hiring more pilots and/or upgrading current pilots. If they do, Compass will not be just scraping by, it will be a total failure. I know TSH has dragged their feet in the past, and has barely gotten by, but I just don't see how even TSH can afford to do that this time around.

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Originally Posted by typical41 (Post 1674923)

Two things need to happen very quickly, IMO....(1) we need A LOT more check airmen very soon and (2) I hope even TSH realizes that this time around, it will NOT be possible to delay hiring more pilots and/or upgrading current pilots. If they do, Compass will not be just scraping by, it will be a total failure. I know TSH has dragged their feet in the past, and has barely gotten by, but I just don't see how even TSH can afford to do that this time around.

The typical regional RFP model was always agree to whatever flying you can get and then staff it if you can staff it. TSH was desperate, but AA was even more desperate. CPZ was AA's last resort. I don't think they really care if it can all be staffed or not, as the alternative was none of it being staffed.

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Originally Posted by typical41 (Post 1674923)

I agree, but what makes you think they're not hiring check airman? Because they are... There doesn't need to be a window eachtime. They pick through apps from each one.

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Originally Posted by Broncoav8r (Post 1674887)

I agree, what do the numbers look like if they go to 30-35 new hires per month?

I can only imagine the AA proposal includes an additional sim and possibly IPT.

Here is another one at 30 and 26 pilots per month, which is very possible IF they start training A LOT more check airmen in the next week or so. Again, I don't think that Ground school or Sim time will be the hang up for Compass staffing.