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cfiguy11 12-10-2013 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by FLYZERG (Post 1536773)
Company pays 10k+ for type rating.
"indentured servitude" when I can't just leave a month later.
I hate my *******king generation you are what is wrong with the world.

Exactly....+1

PeopleMover90 12-10-2013 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by FLYZERG (Post 1536773)
Company pays 10k+ for type rating.
"indentured servitude" when I can't just leave a month later.
I hate my *******king generation you are what is wrong with the world.

Yeah. If I was a new hire but had prior experience and got my legacy job offer...you know what, you're right. I shouldn't take it because I'd feel so bad the company invested in me. I'll pass on the job offer and make sure the $30k they pumped into me is returned for miserable wages. :rolleyes:

If there's no contract you're free to leave. Has nothing to do with generation XYZ. It's facts of life. Make the best decision you can for your family.

FLYZERG 12-10-2013 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by PeopleMover90 (Post 1536795)
Yeah. If I was a new hire but had prior experience and got my legacy job offer...you know what, you're right. I shouldn't take it because I'd feel so bad the company invested in me. I'll pass on the job offer and make sure the $30k they pumped into me is returned for miserable wages. :rolleyes:

If there's no contract you're free to leave. Has nothing to do with generation XYZ. It's facts of life. Make the best decision you can for your family.

You can still do that and simply pay back what you agreed to.

PeopleMover90 12-10-2013 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by FLYZERG (Post 1536798)
You can still do that and simply pay back what you agreed to.

Definitely. Was just hitting on those non contract jobs. I'm not too familiar with the contract programs and how that all works.

Frick 12-10-2013 12:30 PM

If the company doesnt have an agreement then thats their own fault, but if they do....just because its legal to enforce or not doesn't make it right. If you accepted the job then you should be true to your word whether you signed a legal document or not. I worked line service and instructed at my local FBO and eventually they paid for my type rating in a Beechjet for our very small charter department. The final bill was a little over 20k. We're a very small operation. Screwing them out of 20k would be pretty significant. I signed a 2 year contract. If Delta offered me a job....hell yea I'd accept it, but I'd also be legally and MORALLY obligated to reimburse my current company if I left early. I'd still come out ahead even after making payments. Whether its legal or not....you shouldn't accept a job if you don't plan on fulfilling the agreement or paying it back if you leave.

duder 12-12-2013 09:15 AM

Don't know the specific numbers but sounds like a pool will start shortly since they don't want to staff classes more than about 2 months out for fear people would go elsewhere before the class starts.

coryk 12-12-2013 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by duder (Post 1538336)
Don't know the specific numbers but sounds like a pool will start shortly since they don't want to staff classes more than about 2 months out for fear people would go elsewhere before the class starts.

Leave for elsewhere? Seems like they along with Skywest are the top players these days.

ross9238 12-12-2013 04:29 PM

How is the new TA that you guys have? Can someone summarize or bullet point the good and bad?

Temocil27 12-12-2013 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by ross9238 (Post 1538677)
How is the new TA that you guys have? Can someone summarize or bullet point the good and bad?

Just look back a few pages. It's already been done.

duder 12-12-2013 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by coryk (Post 1538353)
Leave for elsewhere? Seems like they along with Skywest are the top players these days.

You have to remember that there are plenty of places that don't require PIC time so while these guys wait for a class at Compass they are getting hired at Spirit, JetBlue, and even United. Without a doubt Compass is the place to be if it has to be a regional right now.

AlaskaBound 12-14-2013 07:02 AM

New memo says the LAX crew base size will end up being 90...that's combined FO/Capt. 10 vacancies a month for FOs and 6-10 for captains.

MrMustache 12-14-2013 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1539582)
New memo says the LAX crew base size will end up being 90...that's combined FO/Capt. 10 vacancies a month for FOs and 6-10 for captains.

For now....

And it's 10 vscancies per vacancy notice. The upgrade classes are every week.

coryk 12-14-2013 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1539626)
For now....

And it's 10 vscancies per vacancy notice. The upgrade classes are every week.

And those are every month right?

I heard 16 FOs have been awarded LAX so far, is that correct?

MrMustache 12-14-2013 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by coryk (Post 1539667)
And those are every month right?

I heard 16 FOs have been awarded LAX so far, is that correct?

They come out every 2 weeks I believe. One closes andthe next opens a couple hours later.

16-20 so far.

ACessential 12-14-2013 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1539582)
New memo says the LAX crew base size will end up being 90...that's combined FO/Capt. 10 vacancies a month for FOs and 6-10 for captains.

The memo also mentions displacements being kept to a minimum. Which I find interesting... Are they expecting LAX to become so junior they will eventually have to displace?

Yazzoo 12-14-2013 10:46 AM

I'm in the Jan 2 class date, are my chances of being assigned LAX pretty good?

ACessential 12-14-2013 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by Yazzoo (Post 1539717)
I'm in the Jan 2 class date, are my chances of being assigned LAX pretty good?

I would say so

MrMustache 12-14-2013 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by ACessential (Post 1539767)
I would say so

I would say so too. Not many people on the line want to go there it seems. No clue about people in training.

ShadowFlight 12-15-2013 09:07 AM

Does anyone know the timeline to hear back from Compass about interviewing?

My apologies if this has already been asked recently - I didn't go through all 280 pages of this thread.

ChariotkeeFlyer 12-15-2013 10:11 AM

Compass updates
 
I applied in October and had an invite within 4 days ..no internal recs. I was pretty surprised.

fisherman 12-21-2013 03:30 PM

Hey I read in an ALPA email that an arbitrator gave you guys some contractual improvements. Do any Compass pilots have any bullet points on what the changes were?

mynameisjim 12-21-2013 03:54 PM

  • Pay increase 1.25%
  • Minimum day increase to 4.0 (now includes days off away from base)
  • Per diem increase to $1.65
  • Deadhead increase to 80%
  • Vacation better (except for first year)
  • Sick accrual improved
  • Insurance premiums get worse (no pricing yet)
  • Couple extra days off a year
  • Lots more

saker 12-22-2013 08:10 AM

Anyone know if the lastest recruitment drive is now winding/wound up?
MSP based with lots of jet time but not a peep from Compass

typical41 12-22-2013 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by saker (Post 1544893)
Anyone know if the lastest recruitment drive is now winding/wound up?
MSP based with lots of jet time but not a peep from Compass

Think they slowed down the classes in late November and December. My understanding is they are picking up the classes in January for new hires, and that they will do around 20 a month through April, and then a few more scattered classes beyond that. After that, I would say they would have to start the next big wave of new hires in late 2014 so that they could be qualifying on line by early 2015, which is when the next round of flows will likely be headed to Delta. No idea if they have a pool or not, but I was told they have over a 1000 qualified applications on file.

They just secured some more SIM time in STL and I believe they will start to send some of the new hires to STL for SIM training.

I will say I knew a person that was having no luck in getting anything from Compass, but went to a job fair they were at and they liked him enough to give him an interview, and he was hired. Just a tip if you are willing to attend a job fair.

Good Luck in the application process.

PILEOAV8R 12-22-2013 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by typical41 (Post 1545097)
Think they slowed down the classes in late November and December. My understanding is they are picking up the classes in January for new hires, and that they will do around 20 a month through April, and then a few more scattered classes beyond that. After that, I would say they would have to start the next big wave of new hires in late 2014 so that they could be qualifying on line by early 2015, which is when the next round of flows will likely be headed to Delta. No idea if they have a pool or not, but I was told they have over a 1000 qualified applications on file.

They just secured some more SIM time in STL and I believe they will start to send some of the new hires to STL for SIM training.

I will say I knew a person that was having no luck in getting anything from Compass, but went to a job fair they were at and they liked him enough to give him an interview, and he was hired. Just a tip if you are willing to attend a job fair.

Good Luck in the application process.

FWIW when I finished my LOE in the school house a while back the APD said he was told that they have around 600 apps on file, 100 or less have prior 121 experience...

Bzzt 12-22-2013 01:46 PM

I'm an Eagle FO and applied about a month ago, got an email to interview a week ago. Scheduling an interview for January, not sure I'll take the job if offered but it can't be worse than the current situation at Eagle.

PILEOAV8R 12-22-2013 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1545109)
I'm an Eagle FO and applied about a month ago, got an email to interview a week ago. Scheduling an interview for January, not sure I'll take the job if offered but it can't be worse than the current situation at Eagle.

Of course I'm going to say this because I want people to keep coming in junior to me, but what other regional out there offers 120 pilot movement each year over the next 3 years.... yes assuming Delta hires, but if Delta doesn't hire they are going to have a decent size staffing issue...

I gave up 5+ years of seniority at my last airline because there was no way I was going to upgrade... Pay cut STINKS, but, here's hoping for the upside!

Deice Press 12-23-2013 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by PILEOAV8R (Post 1545108)
FWIW when I finished my LOE in the school house a while back the APD said he was told that they have around 600 apps on file, 100 or less have prior 121 experience...


last I heard it was well under 50 now and prior 121 goes to the front of the line. If you're considering a lateral now is the time. 25% of the list flush every year for the next 3 years is as good as it gets.

duder 12-23-2013 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1545109)
I'm an Eagle FO and applied about a month ago, got an email to interview a week ago. Scheduling an interview for January, not sure I'll take the job if offered but it can't be worse than the current situation at Eagle.

If you get the job it's a no brainer career wise to take the Compass job. Eagle is a sinking ship. Where do you realistically think you will be in 3 years at Eagle? Baring an unforeseen disaster you will be a Captain here. Unless commuting is going to ruin your marriage I would think long and hard about staying at Eagle. Best of luck in the interview!

MARX 12-23-2013 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by Deice Press (Post 1545434)
last I heard it was well under 50 now and prior 121 goes to the front of the line. If you're considering a lateral now is the time. 25% of the list flush every year for the next 3 years is as good as it gets.

As of today, per the CP recruiting dept., 1,165 unreviewed/unprocessed applications on file. About 20% have 121 experience.

Cruz5350 12-23-2013 12:30 PM

Do they have a preference for prior 121 applicants?

coryk 12-23-2013 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1545770)
Do they have a preference for prior 121 applicants?

I think so, lots of Lakers I hear.

coryk 12-23-2013 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1545770)
Do they have a preference for prior 121 applicants?

Leaving Horizon already?

Cruz5350 12-23-2013 02:39 PM

No just curious I've had airline apps going for a few years now and update monthly never heard a peep from them.

jdoggins 12-23-2013 07:28 PM

What are the chances Compass gets some of Eagle's flying for AA given the set of circumstances lately?

MrMustache 12-23-2013 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by jdoggins (Post 1546052)
What are the chances Compass gets some of Eagle's flying for AA given the set of circumstances lately?

Tha would not be good for anyone involved.

cfiguy11 12-23-2013 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by jdoggins (Post 1546052)
What are the chances Compass gets some of Eagle's flying for AA given the set of circumstances lately?

Zero percent chance. We can't staff for flows let alone new airplanes

Omnivorous 12-23-2013 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1545868)
No just curious I've had airline apps going for a few years now and update monthly never heard a peep from them.

They're very good at feeling out who is likely to leave their current employer for a QOL improvement. They know your chances of leaving Horizon are very slim while a Laker's chances are very high. They dig the tprop Pt. 121 kids for sure. Related to what they see as a QOL boost and thus a worthy endeavor.

JungleBus 12-24-2013 12:17 AM


Originally Posted by Omnivorous (Post 1546148)
They're very good at feeling out who is likely to leave their current employer for a QOL improvement. They know your chances of leaving Horizon are very slim while a Laker's chances are very high. They dig the tprop Pt. 121 kids for sure. Related to what they see as a QOL boost and thus a worthy endeavor.

Eh, I don't think you know what you're talking about. We have a lot of former QXers here, myself included, over the entirety of the seniority list, including fairly recently. Ditty for other airlines with (formerly) decent contracts, ie ExpressJet, Eagle, AirWhisky, etc. We have a minority contingent of ex-Lakes, Skyway, Air Midwest, etc Tprop drivers, but I don't think they've shown a hiring preference one way or the other, and certainly not based on who has the crappiest life right now and is therefore ready to drink the Compass koolaid.

paxhauler85 12-24-2013 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by cfiguy11 (Post 1546054)
Zero percent chance. We can't staff for flows let alone new airplanes

Exactly. Not a chance we could pull it off.


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