Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Compass Airlines (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/compass-airlines/)
-   -   Compass or Endeavor??? (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/compass-airlines/86974-compass-endeavor.html)

ShyGuy 04-10-2015 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by whoareyou311 (Post 1859740)
Well too bad for you...we at endeavor actually have scheduled growth now...and I know that really hurts your feelings...

http://www.davidjdunn.com/wp-content...08400408-1.gif

Farmlover 04-11-2015 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by pylit4lyfe (Post 1859799)
Scheduled growth? You mean more like "hope for growth". I remember when they said 150 200s. Then it was 125, then 100. Now it's what 37? Wait until the SSP guys start getting classes and the net growth of pilots will go negative again just like the net loss of 500+ last year. They "planned" to hire 400 in 2014 and hired 30-40.....keep drinking the kook-aid!

They put out a memo yesterday stating that the 200's are being returned out of the sand box in the fall.

pylit4lyfe 04-11-2015 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 1859930)
They put out a memo yesterday stating that the 200's are being returned out of the sand box in the fall.

Just like the same memo that said they were keeping 150/125 200s? Just like the same memo announcing the EtD that was canceled. One thing I learned from Endeavor, believe it after it happened.

GrassLandings 04-11-2015 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by whoareyou311 (Post 1859740)
Well too bad for you...we at endeavor actually have scheduled growth now...and I know that really hurts your feelings...

No it doesnt.
That post is completely worthless.
Since when does compass not have growth? Their fleet size just went up almost %50... 42 airframes, plus another 20.

AlaskaBound 04-11-2015 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 1859930)
They put out a memo yesterday stating that the 200's are being returned out of the sand box in the fall.

Prove it or your post is worthless.

AlaskaBound 04-11-2015 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by whoareyou311 (Post 1859740)
Well too bad for you...we at endeavor actually have scheduled growth now...and I know that really hurts your feelings...

False. Prove it. You are shrinking your 200 fleet. Keeping some of planes planned to leave doesn't count as growth. You aren't growing..hahah. Give me a break.

FaceBiter 04-11-2015 10:38 AM

Sour grapes much? ELOHEL

pylit4lyfe 04-11-2015 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1860094)
False. Prove it. You are shrinking your 200 fleet. Keeping some of planes planned to leave doesn't count as growth. You aren't growing..hahah. Give me a break.

+1. Keep sipping that kool-aid that Wychor is selling you

gojo 04-11-2015 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by pylit4lyfe (Post 1860101)
+1. Keep sipping that kool-aid that Wychor is selling you

Stolen from a GoJet thread, but it applies to a few here too.

Notice how it's the same few guys too? Just don't feed the trolls. Obviously something happened to them, maybe someone at gojet screwed their GF or ran over their dog or something.

TalkTurkey 04-11-2015 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1860094)
False. Prove it. You are shrinking your 200 fleet. Keeping some of planes planned to leave doesn't count as growth. You aren't growing..hahah. Give me a break.

How long does Compost have the ejet contract with delta for?

FaceBiter 04-11-2015 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1860342)
How long does Compost have the ejet contract with delta for?

Especially when big daddy d's pimp hand gets stronger when the performance suffers more than it already is...........

TalkTurkey 04-11-2015 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1860350)
Especially when big daddy d's pimp hand gets stronger when the performance suffers more than it already is...........

Word life ma bruddah. But I'm curious all the same. I know daddy dixie doesn't like their constituents to betray to the competition. Since that's the case, I wonder if they'll see it profitable to yank those ejets over to RAH for the cost savings once their contract is up...if that's even the case. Idk. I'm an ignant buffoon.

FaceBiter 04-11-2015 07:54 PM

According to a few of my bros over there the dumpster has been loaded up, 5 gals of gas added and they're just waiting for the summer heat to light that flaming mess off.

TalkTurkey 04-11-2015 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1860356)
According to a few of my bros over there the dumpster has been loaded up, 5 gals of gas added and they're just waiting for the summer heat to light that flaming mess off.

Haha, there's no better way to have put that. Ok, time to see if alaskabound has attacked my attempted impression of logic.

FaceBiter 04-11-2015 08:17 PM

AlaskaBound will be around shortly to correct us since he knows everything about everyone. He inherited that torch from Mr. Toolbag.

AlaskaBound 04-12-2015 12:17 AM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1860350)
Especially when big daddy d's pimp hand gets stronger when the performance suffers more than it already is...........

Check out Republic's cancelation rate for the Delta flying. If Delta keeps giving them flying at that rate then I think Compass is fine.

AlaskaBound 04-12-2015 12:18 AM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1860362)
AlaskaBound will be around shortly to correct us since he knows everything about everyone. He inherited that torch from Mr. Toolbag.

Says the guy with the stellar reputation...you're one of the original torch carriers from Mr. Toolbar. You and shyguy.

AlaskaBound 04-12-2015 12:24 AM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1860362)
AlaskaBound will be around shortly to correct us since he knows everything about everyone. He inherited that torch from Mr. Toolbag.

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/...icEntrance.gif

FaceBiter 04-12-2015 07:31 AM

Replied twice to the same post.

Consider yourself owned. Carry on.

AlaskaBound 04-12-2015 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by FaceBiter (Post 1860491)
Replied twice to the same post.

Consider yourself owned. Carry on.

Seems like you must be losing your touch. Keep trying.

To the OP...I would really be hesitant to join an airline owned by Delta. I would be very nervous about how and when they will shift flying away from you because they just can. No contracts to break, no promises to fulfill. Richard Anderson has proven himself over and over again that he is ruthless and does not make decisions based on the feelings of the pilots but what will make the most money. He will sell Endeavor to the highest bidder and will therefore get rid of the bonus and the SSP whateveritscalled now. Their fleet IS shrinking.
Compass is the opposite of that whole scenario. We are not owned by Delta, we do have a contract with them (which makes it harder for them to take away airplanes if they so choose), we have a SUPER young pilot group with about 1/2 a dozen lifers so we are rock bottom cheap to operate. We have no 50 seaters and we are adding a ton of lift for American Airlines. It's a no brainer.

Onedayatatimee 04-12-2015 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 1859930)
They put out a memo yesterday stating that the 200's are being returned out of the sand box in the fall.

As they park two more CR2's this week in the desert: Flightaware Endeavor Air #6381 on Apr 10th and #6384 on Apr 7th.

I would not put much stock into Management and the union saying they want to bring back 200's in the 3Q. Just remember the 3Q follows the summer flying season and they still need to pad a bunch of new hires to fill the void of about 120 pilots that contractually get to go to Delta by the end of the year. To me its just more propaganda for the recruiters to use to sell this place to potential new hires. Also they want to make sure they keep pilots around through the summer flying season. I think somebody over at the C-tower is skittish about pilots bailing after getting the first bonus pay out in May. Why not tell the pilots 200's are coming back in the fall to keep those here who are on the fence.

Don't get me wrong there is going to be movement at Endeavor with the pilots going to Delta. I just can't see them hiring enough to cover that and bring back 200's. Better hire more then 20 a month if thats the plan and should've started doing it last year.

TalkTurkey 04-12-2015 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1860515)
Seems like you must be losing your touch. Keep trying.

To the OP...I would really be hesitant to join an airline owned by Delta. I would be very nervous about how and when they will shift flying away from you because they just can. No contracts to break, no promises to fulfill. Richard Anderson has proven himself over and over again that he is ruthless and does not make decisions based on the feelings of the pilots but what will make the most money. He will sell Endeavor to the highest bidder and will therefore get rid of the bonus and the SSP whateveritscalled now. Their fleet IS shrinking.
Compass is the opposite of that whole scenario. We are not owned by Delta, we do have a contract with them (which makes it harder for them to take away airplanes if they so choose), we have a SUPER young pilot group with about 1/2 a dozen lifers so we are rock bottom cheap to operate. We have no 50 seaters and we are adding a ton of lift for American Airlines. It's a no brainer.

That's what a CEO is supposed to be like, you redundant blatherskite. Not caring about the past, I'd rather be owned by Delta than a holding company. And I would hazard that when Compost's pilot contract is up for renewal, they would merge Compost with Republic and you can enjoy your nil-negotiated concessions. And to prove that I'm better than you, I wish you're off to a major/legacy of your choice by then.

Fourpaw 04-12-2015 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by Onedayatatimee (Post 1860520)
As they park two more CR2's this week in the desert: Flightaware Endeavor Air #6381 on Apr 10th and #6384 on Apr 7th.

I would not put much stock into Management and the union saying they want to bring back 200's in the 3Q. Just remember the 3Q follows the summer flying season and they still need to pad a bunch of new hires to fill the void of about 120 pilots that contractually get to go to Delta by the end of the year. To me its just more propaganda for the recruiters to use to sell this place to potential new hires. Also they want to make sure they keep pilots around through the summer flying season. I think somebody over at the C-tower is skittish about pilots bailing after getting the first bonus pay out in May. Why not tell the pilots 200's are coming back in the fall to keep those here who are on the fence.

Don't get me wrong there is going to be movement at Endeavor with the pilots going to Delta. I just can't see them hiring enough to cover that and bring back 200's. Better hire more then 20 a month if thats the plan and should've started doing it last year.


And there would be no other explanation for the 200s being sent to the desert?

LostInPA 04-12-2015 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1860527)
That's what a CEO is supposed to be like, you redundant blatherskite. Not caring about the past, I'd rather be owned by Delta than a holding company. And I would hazard that when Compost's pilot contract is up for renewal, they would merge Compost with Republic and you can enjoy your nil-negotiated concessions. And to prove that I'm better than you, I wish you're off to a major/legacy of your choice by then.

'Compost' is so 2007. We prefer "CheapA**".

TalkTurkey 04-12-2015 09:00 AM

Those two planes were sent to the desert because they're older than the four newer ones they will bring back from the desert.

#wishfulthinking

pylit4lyfe 04-12-2015 11:03 AM

If 9E is such a great and amazing company why did Delta award GoJet 7 900s in February? If 9E is growing that is....

gojo 04-12-2015 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by pylit4lyfe (Post 1860613)
If 9E is such a great and amazing company why did Delta award GoJet 7 900s in February? If 9E is growing that is....

You really need to think before you post. Research rate reset with Skywest. Or you can continue to believe that Delta was so over joyed with GoJet's performance that they gave them 900's. How long have you been at this? You clearly haven't got a clue

pylit4lyfe 04-12-2015 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 1860625)
You really need to think before you post. Research rate reset with Skywest. Or you can continue to believe that Delta was so over joyed with GoJet's performance that they gave them 900's. How long have you been at this? You clearly haven't got a clue

Why did Delta try to get Air Whiskey to take 37 200s and they turned them down and now they're talking with Mesa about them? Rate reset also?

gojo 04-12-2015 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by pylit4lyfe (Post 1860644)
Why did Delta try to get Air Whiskey to take 37 200s and they turned them down and now they're talking with Mesa about them? Rate reset also?

Nope, staffing, and I believe it was 24 200's with Air Wisconsin. Delta's plan was to have Endeavor only operate 900's. There's no proof that they're talking to Mesa either. If you have it, share it.

pylit4lyfe 04-12-2015 01:11 PM

So why would they try to pawn off any number of airplanes if they're going to pull them back out of the desert? How long have you worked at Endeavor?

gojo 04-12-2015 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by pylit4lyfe (Post 1860670)
So why would they try to pawn off any number of airplanes if they're going to pull them back out of the desert? How long have you worked at Endeavor?

Staffing got too low. After Air Wisconsin refused to fly them for pennies, Delta changed Endeavor's hiring process and offered bonuses. How do you not know this stuff?

Extenda 04-12-2015 01:41 PM

From what they told us in class, They are currently still sending planes to the desert the same way they planned, but in the fall they are going to reverse the flow. I think it's why all of a sudden the classes are split 50/50 to the 900/200, so they have the pilots available when they start to bring them back. We all just got 5-7 weeks off after ground school before sims/ftds. Who knows what's gonna happen though. I am optimistic. Hope Endeavor works out ok. It's definitely a way more upbeat place from when I left for mil leave 3 years ago.

Nantonaku 04-12-2015 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 1860683)
From what they told us in class, They are currently still sending planes to the desert the same way they planned, but in the fall they are going to reverse the flow. I think it's why all of a sudden the classes are split 50/50 to the 900/200, so they have the pilots available when they start to bring them back. We all just got 5-7 weeks off after ground school before sims/ftds. Who knows what's gonna happen though. I am optimistic. Hope Endeavor works out ok. It's definitely a way more upbeat place from when I left for mil leave 3 years ago.

I'm sure they would like to add all the 200's they can but the question still remains, how do they staff them? I don't see any airline being able to take any large amount of additional flying with any amount of reliability. I think the PSA thing is going to be a huge failure. How many pilots are they trying to hire this year?

pylit4lyfe 04-12-2015 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 1860678)
Staffing got too low. After Air Wisconsin refused to fly them for pennies, Delta changed Endeavor's hiring process and offered bonuses. How do you not know this stuff?

How long have you been at Endeavor?

gojo 04-12-2015 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by pylit4lyfe (Post 1860707)
How long have you been at Endeavor?

As long as it has been Endeavor. Before that Pinnacle, and before that Mesaba. In total over 10 years

Silver02ex 04-12-2015 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1860515)
Seems like you must be losing your touch. Keep trying.


Compass is the opposite of that whole scenario. We are not owned by Delta, we do have a contract with them (which makes it harder for them to take away airplanes if they so choose), we have a SUPER young pilot group with about 1/2 a dozen lifers so we are rock bottom cheap to operate.

I use to think the same thing about Pinnacle in 2007... We have the youngest CRJ fleet, we started to fly for another carrier (Delta) upgrades was around 1-2 months. We were the cheapest. Ask your self how well that 10 year contract work out with Northwest/Delta

AlaskaBound 04-12-2015 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 1860726)
I use to think the same thing about Pinnacle in 2007... We have the youngest CRJ fleet, we started to fly for another carrier (Delta) upgrades was around 1-2 months. We were the cheapest. Ask your self how well that 10 year contract work out with Northwest/Delta

Hulas is better at making money than Trenary was. Ternary was/is a crook and sucked you guys down with him. Hulas is cheap as h*** and knows how to run a business.
Pinnacle was never like Compass.

gojo 04-12-2015 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1860731)
Hulas is better at making money than Trenary was. Ternary was/is a crook and sucked you guys down with him. Hulas is cheap as h*** and knows how to run a business.
Pinnacle was never like Compass.

I don't know much about TSA holdings, other than it's privately held. Companies that worry about their shareholders and over priced CEOs seem to want to squeeze more from their employees. I agree with your assessment on Trenary, but then a lot of CEOs are over paid in my mind. I think I read the other day that the average hourly wage for the bigger CEOs is near $6000.00 an hour.

pylit4lyfe 04-12-2015 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 1860718)
As long as it has been Endeavor. Before that Pinnacle, and before that Mesaba. In total over 10 years

So when is your class date at Delta? With that kind of seniority you should've had your SSP

IBPilot 04-12-2015 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by pylit4lyfe (Post 1860741)
So when is your class date at Delta? With that kind of seniority you should've had your SSP

Funny how when some dork looses an argument on here against an Endeavor peep they automatically bring up the SSP, like you must be some loser if you didn't get on via the SSP. News flash, there were people hired via SSP that I wouldn't put my grandmother on their plane, and some of the most stellar pilots I know turned down. Some don't even want to do it for one reason or another.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:11 AM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands