Compass or Endeavor???
 

I'm going to give this a try in hopes that lame arguments don't break out.

Any CONSTRUCTIVE direction to picking one over the other?
End goal: get hired on by a major asap.
Would like to be based in MSP until heading to a major.

Thanks in advance

We all want to get hired at a major ASAP, so what makes you more qualified than us? What's your background? Are you military looking to build 121 experience before mama D calls? Or are you a fresh ATP with 1500hrs under their belt?

If you really want MSP, I might go for Endeavor. But that's based solely on QOL.

As far as getting to the majors faster, volunteer as much as you can outside of flying. Habitat, pilots for kids, etc. Seems like all the recruiters I've talked to love that stuff.

you will get msp faster at endeavor

Where will you get your TPIC at quicker (if you don't already have that box checked). I know a lot of guys say that TPIC "isn't what it used to be", and that may be true, but it is still a huge leg up for whatever your next step may be.

With endeavor you will get msp right out of training, and if you don't it will be only a few months. With the amount of hiring that we are doing you will move to a line quickly this fall.
If you would like some info send me a pm.

Compass is closing DTW and opening SEA. They are shifting out West. That likely means many of the former DTW pilots will bid MSP, at least at first, meaning a new hire will be heading to the West coast with a pretty good wait to get to MSP, then rinse and repeat for upgrade.

At Endeavor, on the FO side, MSP will likely be much quicker for a new hire. For captain upgrade, it's likely going to be a while as that is the base with the most lifer captains, followed closely by DTW. The fastest upgrade is and probably will be for some time, in New York.

Endeavor also has the retention bonuses...yet Compass will likely have the faster upgrade for awhile. Ya have to decide what is best for your situation. Do you want to be home based? Or do you want the left seat faster? I personally would chose preferred basing and QOL myself as it makes reserve even...not so bad.

What endeavor interview like? Can't seem to find much of a gouge?

At compass you will hold MSP before you finish training. Currently a lot of the guys getting hired want the west coast bases. DTW has only 18 FOs, half of them can hold CA. That wont hurt your chances of getting MSP. 80% of the flows leaving this year are MSP CA, their will be a lot of movement for msp.

At Endeavor, they are still sending 20 crj 200s to the desert this summer, they are only in MSP and DTW. They may come back later this year and they may not, nobody knows yet. A lot of the junior guys that have been at Endeavor over a year are still trying to get out of NYC.

The only people still trying to get out of NYC now are either captains or pretty much new hires

I'd say it's a toss up. Do you want to fly the ERJ or the CRJ?

I think people should only offer info on their respective company.

New hires at Endeavor are getting MSP right away. They say they are working on extending the SSP in some form to new hires but nothing is official therefore take it with a grain of salt. The retention bonus is a nice pay boost. It also seems like they want us to keep the 200 since they threw this kind of money at us. But it is only my opinion. Best of luck in your decision.

I agree with all of the above. Endeavor would be better for your QOL. But you will upgrade faster at compass and most likely never see MSP as a pilot there as they continue to shrink DTW(closing in june) and MSP, and focus there operations out west. Commuting from MSP to the west coast I would think might provide some challenges but I am sure it can be done. To make up for not upgrading faster at Endeavor you have the retention bonus for the next 4 years which will make life much much easier and better for you. My advice go to the place where you don't have to commute. Commuting is the devil.

QUOTE=tom14cat14;1841557]I think people should only offer info on their respective company. [/QUOTE]

this.

idk why you guys think he wont get MSP as an FO at Compass. Most jr MSP FO was hired late November 2014, so he did what maybe a month or two in LAX tops? I think its safe to say that time frame would go down as well as flows and upgrades continue.

OP, you have two good options. Both give you the option to be based at home as an FO but you will most definitely have to commute for some time as a Captain. Feel free to pm me whatever questions you have.

Look long term. Compass looks like a safe bet. Delta owning a regional has not been good in the past.. And doubt that trend will change..

Skywest is probably the best bet if you want MSP and want a quick upgrade in QOL. I just don't see any new hires having any decent amount of QOL in MSP at Endeavor for at least a year, if not longer. There are a lot of people who were forced out of MSP to NY, you will continue to get bumped down by people returning and it is very possible you would be forced to NY. I don't think you can count on MSP, especially if you can't get the 200. The money is the only reason to come to 9E and/or if you live in NY and can get the 900. Or if you are gambling on a Delta interview. Things are better at 9E but the QOL/schedules get worse every month.

Anyone who has been coming to NY for the last couple vacancies has done it voluntarily. Many guys who were involuntarily displaced to NY last year have even decided to stay.

After this summer, compass won't have any remaining flows to delta while endeavor will start losing 15-20 guys a month just to delta alone for several years. Compass might have a quicker upgrade right now, but that will change.

Latest vacancy is showing 25 net upgrades.

Wait...15-02 is out?! Ah, there it is...ok a little off topic. Net 25 CA positions open, but 50 FO positions open. Correct me if I am wrong, but since this is a realignment and not a vacancy that means 25 downgrades? Please tell me that logic is highly flawed.

9E if you want to be based in MSP + you will make a lot more money at Endeavor. Upgrade might take a little longer but either way you will likely be at a major in 5 years now that the flood gates have opened.

That's not true at all. All of the DTW captains are eligible to flow within the next 9 months and I don't see anyone on the list that plans to stay with Compass. There are 19 FOs currently in DTW who will all be eligible to upgrade (and hold LAX) by June. That means there's about a 2% chance that a a couple will make their way to MSP by the fall.

Absolutely false. Come on guys.
Most of the new hires are all from out west and want nothing to do with Minneapolis. A vast majority.
80% of the flows will be coming from MSP. That means anyone wanting MSP will get it by the time their out of the school house and done with IOE. We have official word that our MSP base will not be shrinking anymore.
Stop saying you can't hold MSP when that's absolutely not the case. Some of you over at Endeavor think you know what's up over here but you don't.

I totally agree with this comment. SkyWest is ALSO a great bet if you want quick upward movement and decent QOL right away. Although their pilot group is huge so it will take a lot longer to upgrade.
Endeavor is wholly owned and that's never been a good thing considering Delta's record of previous wholly owned airlines.

Most, not all.

Nope, that's 25 more downgrades at Endeavor. Probably be 9 yr Pinnacle guys. At least they get awesome senior FO schedules and LOA 50.

Funny, coming from you, the expert on 9E.

No, that's FO openings for those in new hire training. They have to have somewhere to bid into, which will be the remaining open FO slots. It's net upgrades on 15-02.

Who's looking at this wrong? I see positive movement on this realignment, not downgrades

I think people have forgotten how to read these without net downgrades. Now with the bloch award there could be some but who knows.

25 upgrades on new list, this is just the start

For which airline?

Endeavor!!!!

Okay, I'm lighting this one back up with a caveat:

Which is a better choice for someone with little-to-no Part 121 time and would be starting class at one of them within the next few months???

This could also be a general question:
Since most talks are about fast upgrades for the qualified folks right now, where should the zero Part 121 guy be looking right now?

Thanks for all the great feedback so far!

A regional that actually has some growth scheduled. Everything else is just rumor. Between these two carriers Compass looks better.

For a new hire i would go with a company that is turning around and has the backing of a great mainline partner/owner. Plus money you will make 40k plus here your first year.

All I can say is that things have gotten a lot better at Endeavor in the last year. One thing I have learned is that you can't plan your career. Trying to predict which regional will most quickly help you on to a major is pointless. You might as well go to a regional with the easiest commute or best living situation or money as those things will be accurate projections for at lease a few months. A Mesaba furlough junior to me went to Compass, upgraded, got on with a major while I am still at Pinicolaba as an FO. You and I should go to Compass once we get that time machine. Nevertheless I am having a good time at Endeavor and I'm living in base and making 65k with the retention bribe. Hope you have good luck and quick movement!

Where do you live?

West coast...Compass. East coast...maybe Endeavor.

You mean Comair? LOL Gumm was telling the Comair guys the same stuff till the doors closed. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. All the 40K bonus tells me is there is some kind of problem they are trying to cover for some reason. That bonus is crazy compared to what other regionals are offering. The Ex NWA beancounters at Mother Delta don't pay anything out of the kindness of their hearts. We'll see what their intentions are once they finish trying to force the rate resets on Skywest.

Compass without a doubt. Too much bad history at Endeavor. What is past is prologue. You will get the bonus back and more with the faster upgrade.

Comair=apples
Endeavor=oranges

Well too bad for you...we at endeavor actually have scheduled growth now...and I know that really hurts your feelings...

Scheduled growth? You mean more like "hope for growth". I remember when they said 150 200s. Then it was 125, then 100. Now it's what 37? Wait until the SSP guys start getting classes and the net growth of pilots will go negative again just like the net loss of 500+ last year. They "planned" to hire 400 in 2014 and hired 30-40.....keep drinking the kook-aid!