Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1860756)

Funny how when some dork looses an argument on here against an Endeavor peep they automatically bring up the SSP, like you must be some loser if you didn't get on via the SSP. News flash, there were people hired via SSP that I wouldn't put my grandmother on their plane, and some of the most stellar pilots I know turned down. Some don't even want to do it for one reason or another.

Originally Posted by pylit4lyfe (Post 1860765)

So because I've asked questions I've lost an argument. I know a lot of people that work at Endeavor. I chose to walk away last year for a 135 job because I had no desire to coomute across country for 11 days off. I have no idea where he stands with the SSP. Just a simple question. I know a lot of people that got CJOs. Some people I was surprised they got it and some surprised they didn't. Especially Wychor. He did such a good job at selling the kool aid and he was rejected twice. He must've thought he forsure had it. Then again he didn't do what they told him for his second time around.

Originally Posted by pylit4lyfe (Post 1860765)

So because I've asked questions I've lost an argument. I know a lot of people that work at Endeavor. I chose to walk away last year for a 135 job because I had no desire to coomute across country for 11 days off. I have no idea where he stands with the SSP. Just a simple question. I know a lot of people that got CJOs. Some people I was surprised they got it and some surprised they didn't. Especially Wychor. He did such a good job at selling the kool aid and he was rejected twice. He must've thought he forsure had it. Then again he didn't do what they told him for his second time around.

Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 1860696)

I'm sure they would like to add all the 200's they can but the question still remains, how do they staff them? I don't see any airline being able to take any large amount of additional flying with any amount of reliability. I think the PSA thing is going to be a huge failure. How many pilots are they trying to hire this year?

Originally Posted by pylit4lyfe (Post 1860741)

So when is your class date at Delta? With that kind of seniority you should've had your SSP

Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1860870)

10 years at Mesaba is not the same as 10 years at pinnacle or Colgan.

They are only now getting through those seniority numbers.

When is your SSP is a better question.

Originally Posted by pylit4lyfe (Post 1860978)

I have friends that were with Colgan for 6-7 years and they've had their interview and friends with 10 years at Colgan. They interviewed over a year ago.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1860515)

Seems like you must be losing your touch. Keep trying.

To the OP...I would really be hesitant to join an airline owned by Delta. I would be very nervous about how and when they will shift flying away from you because they just can. No contracts to break, no promises to fulfill. Richard Anderson has proven himself over and over again that he is ruthless and does not make decisions based on the feelings of the pilots but what will make the most money. He will sell Endeavor to the highest bidder and will therefore get rid of the bonus and the SSP whateveritscalled now. Their fleet IS shrinking.
Compass is the opposite of that whole scenario. We are not owned by Delta, we do have a contract with them (which makes it harder for them to take away airplanes if they so choose), we have a SUPER young pilot group with about 1/2 a dozen lifers so we are rock bottom cheap to operate. We have no 50 seaters and we are adding a ton of lift for American Airlines. It's a no brainer.

Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1861036)

Lol

I was hired in 01 at Mesaba and have 07 Colgan hires and 06 pinnacle senior to me.

Like I said 10 years at XJ does not equal the others.

Originally Posted by pylit4lyfe (Post 1861243)

My point is fo's are interviewing already. They started in March and it went down pretty far the first time. So it was pretty easy to assume that someone who has been there a while would have had their chance. I noticed the person that I asked the original question to is quick to spout off but won't answer that question.

Originally Posted by WakeTurby (Post 1862070)

Anybody fresh out of training (or currently in) that knows how long it is taking to hold MSP at CPZ and 9E?

What about current reserve time and location for each?

Originally Posted by WakeTurby (Post 1862070)

Anybody fresh out of training (or currently in) that knows how long it is taking to hold MSP at CPZ and 9E?

What about current reserve time and location for each?

Originally Posted by TeddyKGB (Post 1862587)

If you want to make way way more money over the 1st 4 years with similar career progression then I would go to 9E. As CZ shuts down DTW I would imagine most of those pilots will displace to MSP making it harder to get MSP based with CZ.

Originally Posted by LostTime (Post 1862676)

Why are you even bringing this up, This will not be a factor for new hires. The realignment for DTW closing is already past, the 8 fos that were displaced have chosen where they want to go. Their will still be a lot of movement for those that want MSP.

Originally Posted by stepping razor (Post 1862725)

disclaimer: i am NOT a 9E recruiter.
That being said, in a few weeks, there will be an announcement that WILL make 9E the clear choice.
Haters gonna hate, so don't be behind the power curve because you listened!

Originally Posted by TeddyKGB (Post 1862691)

I recommend you retake English 101.

Originally Posted by stepping razor (Post 1862725)

disclaimer: i am NOT a 9E recruiter.
That being said, in a few weeks, there will be an announcement that WILL make 9E the clear choice.
Haters gonna hate, so don't be behind the power curve because you listened!

Originally Posted by LostTime (Post 1862676)

Why are you even bringing this up, This will not be a factor for new hires. The realignment for DTW closing is already past, the 8 fos that were displaced have chosen where they want to go. Their will still be a lot of movement for those that want MSP.

Originally Posted by TeddyKGB (Post 1862587)

If you want to make way way more money over the 1st 4 years with similar career progression then I would go to 9E. As CZ shuts down DTW I would imagine most of those pilots will displace to MSP making it harder to get MSP based with CZ.

Originally Posted by LostTime (Post 1862898)

Clueless, which part? You sir can't read. I said the realignment that closed DTW is done and no one in the future will be displaced and therefore will not effect any new hires that want MSP. Or are you disagreeing that their will be movement in MSP?

Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1862880)

You are as clueless as they come. DTW had a small handful of FOs that are or will be in upgrade class soon. The remaining DTW Captains have flown (no pun intended), or are flowing to Delta in the next few months. Therefore, NO ONE will be displaced to MSP. Even if one or two FOs decide not to go to upgrade class the impact is a non issue. You sir need to stop talking your butt. Thanks..:D

Originally Posted by TeddyKGB (Post 1862587)

If you want to make way way more money over the 1st 4 years with similar career progression then I would go to 9E. As CZ shuts down DTW I would imagine most of those pilots will displace to MSP making it harder to get MSP based with CZ.

Originally Posted by tunes (Post 1863032)

What are you talking about? You basically said the same thing he did. And there were 6 FOs involuntarily displaced to msp.


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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1863026)

Don't bother arguing with alaskawound. He's emotionally flawed and robbed of intelligence.

Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1862905)

DTW-MSP was already a lousy commute as Delta cut mainline out of MSP (and DTW) in favor of the "4 corner strategy" The MSP guys are now (with CVG) being forced to DTW who are being forced to NYC. As for Compass, they are heading to LAX. Endeavor has been sent to NYC. Delta is abandoning the center of the country slowly but surely... Either bid NYC, ATL, LAX, or SEA... otherwise work for someone else.

Originally Posted by pylit4lyfe (Post 1859799)

Scheduled growth? You mean more like "hope for growth". I remember when they said 150 200s. Then it was 125, then 100. Now it's what 37? Wait until the SSP guys start getting classes and the net growth of pilots will go negative again just like the net loss of 500+ last year. They "planned" to hire 400 in 2014 and hired 30-40.....keep drinking the kook-aid!

Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1863208)

Emotionally flawed? That's a new one. You have no idea who I am. Talk about unintelligent and flawed logic on your part.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1862880)

You are as clueless as they come. DTW had a small handful of FOs that are or will be in upgrade class soon. The remaining DTW Captains have flown (no pun intended), or are flowing to Delta in the next few months. Therefore, NO ONE will be displaced to MSP. Even if one or two FOs decide not to go to upgrade class the impact is a non issue. You sir need to stop talking your butt. Thanks..:D

Originally Posted by WakeTurby (Post 1863737)

Has anybody (non-ATP type) shown up to class for either of these companies after being out of the cockpit for a while (i.e. - not inst current...no 6 approaches in the last 6 months kind of thing)? If so, do you knock out approaches in the sim in order to complete your ATP cert? Or?....

Originally Posted by WakeTurby (Post 1863737)

Has anybody (non-ATP type) shown up to class for either of these companies after being out of the cockpit for a while (i.e. - not inst current...no 6 approaches in the last 6 months kind of thing)? If so, do you knock out approaches in the sim in order to complete your ATP cert? Or?....

Originally Posted by TeddyKGB (Post 1863240)

You got some bad intel Avroman. No one has been forced out of MSP for a long time now. It's the opposite as a bunch of very junior pilots have been bidding into MSP over the past year. There are 1st year pilots on probation who are holding good lines in MSP on the 7ER. Just about everyone who wants to be in MSP is back in MSP. I assume you are talking about mainline pilots since you mentioned CVG?

Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1864032)

This was end of last summer, it may well have changed, though I confirmed the plan is unfortunately, CVG is closed as a base and a hub within the year. The question I have is, what will happen with DTW? A big chunk of C concourse is already mothballed, (and Delta asked the airport board to close ALL of B and C.. denied) The 747's have been returned to DTW to be phased out in favor of twin engine flights out of SEA. Delta is clearly focusing on a "four corner" strategy of LAX, SEA, ATL, and New York. Where does that leave MEM? Dead, CVG? Dead, DTW, MSP, SLC... not looking good. Time will tell.