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VIRotate 04-25-2017 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by flyingak (Post 2350687)
Yep same here, they kept telling me that I could not just drop a RSV day and I kept explaining that I was trying to swap RSV days for lines but IOCC wouldn't let me so I needed the RSV days dropped so that I could then go into IOCC and pickup the opentime lines. This battle went back and fourth for days, meanwhile I missed about 4 trips I was trying to get that got snatched while I was battling with them. Moral of the story though is do not give up because in the end they finally ended up dropping all my RSV days and I built my schedule out of opentime but I honestly think they just got tired of dealing with me and gave in, so keep at it!! lol


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Wilco. Yeah I'm trying to get them to do it. I tried explaining that I want to pick up stuff but they seem pretty adamant on denying me. We shall see though. I'm not giving up!

flyingak 04-25-2017 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by VIRotate (Post 2350737)
Wilco. Yeah I'm trying to get them to do it. I tried explaining that I want to pick up stuff but they seem pretty adamant on denying me. We shall see though. I'm not giving up!



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Alcon 04-25-2017 09:12 PM

I was wondering what compass lines look like for lax? I know that the lines on the american side for the regional carriers out of dfw aren't too favorable. Also I read earlier that the guys have been on reserve for 8 months. Is that starting to change? What about MSP closing? Will those planes be split between SEA and LAX?

CaptainDooley 04-25-2017 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by VIRotate (Post 2350737)
Wilco. Yeah I'm trying to get them to do it. I tried explaining that I want to pick up stuff but they seem pretty adamant on denying me. We shall see though. I'm not giving up!

You need to call the union immediately.
You are absolutely allowed to drop all of your reserve days when on a buildup line. Be aware if you do that and don't pick up trips you will not be paid guarantee.
We need to enforce our contract or this crap will continue to happen. Most of the people in Scheduling don't know our contract.
If you are on reserve, I suggest you read the reserve sections of the contract. Then when you call and they say you can't do that, ask for a Supervisor and politely tell them that section xx of the contract says I can drop the trips. If they still say no, make sure you get their name and then report it to the union.

CaptainDooley 04-25-2017 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by Alcon (Post 2350932)
I was wondering what compass lines look like for lax? I know that the lines on the american side for the regional carriers out of dfw aren't too favorable. Also I read earlier that the guys have been on reserve for 8 months. Is that starting to change? What about MSP closing? Will those planes be split between SEA and LAX?

Reserve is always a moving target at the regionals. What it looks like today does not mean it will be the same 6 months from now. I will be 7 months in May, and I'm close to a line.

All MSP planes are moving out west where Delta wants them. Rumor is they plan to add a lot of SEA flights. But no word yet from a Delta.

My guess if you are a new hire this summer you could pick LAX or SEA out of training.

flyingak 04-25-2017 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainDooley (Post 2350940)
Reserve is always a moving target at the regionals. What it looks like today does not mean it will be the same 6 months from now. I will be 7 months in May, and I'm close to a line.



All MSP planes are moving out west where Delta wants them. Rumor is they plan to add a lot of SEA flights. But no word yet from a Delta.



My guess if you are a new hire this summer you could pick LAX or SEA out of training.



7mo DOH or 7mo on the line??


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flyingak 04-25-2017 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainDooley (Post 2350937)
You need to call the union immediately.
You are absolutely allowed to drop all of your reserve days when on a buildup line. Be aware if you do that and don't pick up trips you will not be paid guarantee.
We need to enforce our contract or this crap will continue to happen. Most of the people in Scheduling don't know our contract.
If you are on reserve, I suggest you read the reserve sections of the contract. Then when you call and they say you can't do that, ask for a Supervisor and politely tell them that section xx of the contract says I can drop the trips. If they still say no, make sure you get their name and then report it to the union.

So.........I went down this road during my battles, there's some post on this very subject somewhere back a ways. But can you provide actual documentation from the CBA for this? Because the only thing I can find is 25.(h) which states that Build-Up line holders can SWAP RSV days. Unfortunately, I was unable to find any proof that they can be dropped per the contract despite everybody and their brother telling me that you can? Again, I think they finally just got fed up with me and gave in, lol

VIRotate 04-25-2017 11:39 PM


Originally Posted by flyingak (Post 2350946)
So.........I went down this road during my battles, there's some post on this very subject somewhere back a ways. But can you provide actual documentation from the CBA for this? Because the only thing I can find is 25.(h) which states that Build-Up line holders can SWAP RSV days. Unfortunately, I was unable to find any proof that they can be dropped per the contract despite everybody and their brother telling me that you can? Again, I think they finally just got fed up with me and gave in, lol

The only thing I can find is 25. (e) It doesn't say anything specifically about being able to drop rsv but it does say that as long as the scheduled duty periods don't fall below 50% and I have a min of 37.5 hours, I can drop. Well isn't rsv considered part of the duty period? Can someone enlighten me on this? It seems like no one has a definitive answer. :confused:

"e. Trip Drops

(1) Pilots may drop a Trip(s), provided the Pilot’s Scheduled Credit Time does not fall below 37:30, except that a CDO or build-up Pilot may not drop more than 50% of the total scheduled Duty Periods (as of the end of SCP). For purposes of this subparagraph e., (i) Duty Periods scheduled to commence in one month and end in the following month will be counted in the month in which the Duty Period was scheduled to begin, and (ii) Credit Time for a Trip scheduled to commence in one month and end in the following month will be counted in the month in which it is scheduled, with minimum Duty Period credit for such Trip handled pursuant to Section 4.B.2."

Da40Pilot 04-25-2017 11:45 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainDooley (Post 2350937)
You need to call the union immediately.
You are absolutely allowed to drop all of your reserve days when on a buildup line.

What? No you can't. FLICA allowed you to do this only because of a glitch and CS couldn't do anything about it so they looked the other way. Nowhere in the contract does it say that we can drop our reserve days (and be payed below guarantee) - so if you have the verbage, please share it. Is this on some kind of a LOA?

Fpmx772 04-26-2017 06:47 AM

Anyone else notice IOCC is down?


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