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Old 10-06-2017 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ShooterMcGavin
What if this makes 9E too "expensive" and DL ends up Comair'ing them..
Much, much different environment now. Where would delta move all that flying to? You think that if they did Comair them that the majority would start back a the bottom of the the list at OO or YX or where ever they TRY to move the flying to? Sure, some would but a bunch would go ACMI, LCC, ULCC or just say ef it, I'm out. A majority of the pilots at Endeavor have degrees and/or marketable skills in other trades. Plenty of work outside the industry to be had. And let's be perfectly clear here. delta et al created this regional debacle and quite honestly they are the are the only ones who can fix it. More money for everyone is a good start. It is time for them to pay up. The increase of applicants here at Compass with the $17,500 bonus proves this. There is simply nowhere to move the flying to. Thanks to public law 111-216 the whipsaw is about dead.
Old 10-06-2017 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Mx212
So can we file a grievance towards the company for CBA violation of 25.B.1?

B. Staffing
1. The Company will employ a sufficient number of Pilots to cover all known Flying, vacation, sick leave, scheduled training, Company-related business, known leaves of absence and other known unavailabilities, and staff the operation so as not to unduly disrupt the schedules of Lineholders and will maintain an adequate number of Reserves to cover unforeseen operational needs, to avoid the frequent modification of schedules of Lineholders, and to avoid excessive junior manning.
I'm sure it's on the laundry list.
Old 10-06-2017 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JetDoc
Much, much different environment now. Where would delta move all that flying to? You think that if they did Comair them that the majority would start back a the bottom of the the list at OO or YX or where ever they TRY to move the flying to? Sure, some would but a bunch would go ACMI, LCC, ULCC or just say ef it, I'm out. A majority of the pilots at Endeavor have degrees and/or marketable skills in other trades. Plenty of work outside the industry to be had. And let's be perfectly clear here. delta et al created this regional debacle and quite honestly they are the are the only ones who can fix it. More money for everyone is a good start. It is time for them to pay up. The increase of applicants here at Compass with the $17,500 bonus proves this. There is simply nowhere to move the flying to. Thanks to public law 111-216 the whipsaw is about dead.
Public law 111-216 might be changed or removed.

Citing costs, panel advises rolling back post-3407 air safety measure - The Buffalo News

Here's some of the article above:

'The requirement that all commercial pilots obtain a license based on 1,500 hours of flight experience "imposes costs that exceed benefits," the Aviation Rulemaking Advisory Committee said in a report that its members approved in a 21-4 vote at a Thursday meeting.'

'The airlines — especially the smaller carriers represented by the Regional Airlines Association — have long advocated a change in the pilot hours requirement, saying it's so stringent that it's causing a pilot shortage.'

'Most important is a proposal to eliminate the requirement that pilots have an air transport certificate, which in most cases requires them to have 1,500 hours of flight time. Another suggests modifications in a rule that prevents co-pilots from being promoted to pilots until they get 1,000 hours of flight time on a commercial airline. Another suggests pilots might be able to get alternative training, instead of the currently required flight hours.'
Old 10-06-2017 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by veewan
Public law 111-216 might be changed or removed.

Citing costs, panel advises rolling back post-3407 air safety measure - The Buffalo News

Here's some of the article above:

'The requirement that all commercial pilots obtain a license based on 1,500 hours of flight experience "imposes costs that exceed benefits," the Aviation Rulemaking Advisory Committee said in a report that its members approved in a 21-4 vote at a Thursday meeting.'

'The airlines — especially the smaller carriers represented by the Regional Airlines Association — have long advocated a change in the pilot hours requirement, saying it's so stringent that it's causing a pilot shortage.'

'Most important is a proposal to eliminate the requirement that pilots have an air transport certificate, which in most cases requires them to have 1,500 hours of flight time. Another suggests modifications in a rule that prevents co-pilots from being promoted to pilots until they get 1,000 hours of flight time on a commercial airline. Another suggests pilots might be able to get alternative training, instead of the currently required flight hours.'

Political suicide for any legislator whose name is in anyway attached to the repeal and an airplane crashes with someone in the cockpit with less than the required flight time now required by PL 111-216. Not gonna happen as once a politician is elected, their sole job is getting re-elected, not to mention the public outcry on a scale never seen before. Also Chuck Schumer has publicly stated he will filibuster any legislation containing a provision to roll back the requirement.
Old 10-06-2017 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle driver
And this is why FFD, in my opinion, will be gone in the next 4-7 years! Mainline carriers will have to increase what they pay their regional partners to the point where it becomes more cost effective or nearly so for mainline to operate the flights themselves. Plus once they take the flying back quality control will increase greatly and this will likely cover any small difference in cost!
Keep dreaming. The B scale won't go away. They'll just make their cadets go there.
Old 10-06-2017 | 03:22 PM
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So Compass website currently shows FA hiring for GEG and PDX locations. Anyone got any good info/rumors as to why we would be hiring for FA’s in either of these places?
Old 10-06-2017 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by aviator2491
So Compass website currently shows FA hiring for GEG and PDX locations. Anyone got any good info/rumors as to why we would be hiring for FA’s in either of these places?


Hiring for or hiring event in?


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Old 10-06-2017 | 03:41 PM
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Hiring in as far as I could tell. Location of the positions were GEG and PDX, right next to the openings for SEA and PHX.
Old 10-06-2017 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by aviator2491
So Compass website currently shows FA hiring for GEG and PDX locations. Anyone got any good info/rumors as to why we would be hiring for FA’s in either of these places?
Considering they are both on routes we serve with high frequency, potential commutable hires? Requirements I saw on their FA sheet said "Must Live within 2 hours driving distance of a major airport". I imagine for commutability. Again, just a guess, not fact.
Old 10-06-2017 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JetDoc
Political suicide for any legislator whose name is in anyway attached to the repeal and an airplane crashes with someone in the cockpit with less than the required flight time now required by PL 111-216. Not gonna happen as once a politician is elected, their sole job is getting re-elected, not to mention the public outcry on a scale never seen before. Also Chuck Schumer has publicly stated he will filibuster any legislation containing a provision to roll back the requirement.
This. I think the other reason the Regionals are fighting to roll this one back is the fact that they are bracing for the eventual sucker punch this is going to have for their bottom lines. It's not a pilot shortage, it's a pilot pay shortage. Envoy, Piedmont, and PSA have no shortage of Army aviators showing up at their doors wanting to do their RTP program, and these are guys that are from all over, 160th SOAR, Apaches, Hawks, Chinooks, etc... so they have full classes.

My biggest fear is that if that law gets rolled back, so do pilot wages. However, again, it's a guess, not a solid statement of fact.
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