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Old 07-21-2023, 09:11 PM
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In 2023, CPDLC requirement to fly the TransAtlantic routes in RVSM airspace. Anyone flown without CPDLC this year? And how is it flying TransAtlantic F270 &F280?
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Old 07-22-2023, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Tfly View Post
In 2023, CPDLC requirement to fly the TransAtlantic routes in RVSM airspace. Anyone flown without CPDLC this year? And how is it flying TransAtlantic F270 &F280?
The NAT HLA is all CPDLC now. Below F285 is very quiet, not much traffic there. If you don’t have the equipment, you’ll need to fly outside the HLA—below or the Blue Spruce routes up north. Could be above F410.

https://www.icao.int/EURNAT/EUR%20an...023.pdf#page19

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Old 07-22-2023, 06:44 PM
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There is a fair amount of traffic below RVSM on random routes, on the track routing, and on northern blue spruce routes.

The NAT tracks don't always start at the base of the RVSM airspace; published tracks frequently start at FL340, for example, and operation below that altitude without CPDLC can be done.

CPDLC connectivity issues aren't uncommon for Shanwick, and have been a problem intermittently for some time. If one is a CPDLC aircraft but has trouble logging on, one may or may not be asked to descend below the airspace; I've had both. Generally if one has CPDLC but has a problem logging on, it's simply voice reporting, per normal.

CPDLC definitely reduces workload over the traditional methods.
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Old 07-22-2023, 09:20 PM
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Thanks for input. G200 scheduled at f280 westbound was to tight on fuel, so tech stop in Iceland now. The eastbound direct works fuelwise, but not thrilled about being capped at F270. If weather or rides are poor, no options. Seems like most non cpdlc aircraft do not fly the NAT routes any longer.
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Old 07-24-2023, 03:11 PM
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There is DLM Exempt airspace in the north over Greenland. The GOTA is also DLM exempt as well as a portion of the Bodo FIR. The Blue Spruce Routes are not necessarily DLM exempt except for the portion transiting the airspace mentioned.
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Old 11-01-2023, 04:18 PM
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How are you doing a TransAtlantic below RVSM airspace fuel gotta be tight. No Thanks
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Old 11-05-2023, 06:03 PM
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How are you doing a TransAtlantic below RVSM airspace fuel gotta be tight. No Thanks
not a big deal at all. Did it lots of times in the KC-135, before they were RVSM certified. Just put on lots more gas, lol.
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More changes coming. A big one is next year: no more requirement to pick up an oceanic clearance prior to entry.
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Old 11-06-2023, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
More changes coming. A big one is next year: no more requirement to pick up an oceanic clearance prior to entry.
March of 2024.
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Old 11-06-2023, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
More changes coming. A big one is next year: no more requirement to pick up an oceanic clearance prior to entry.
Thatís the first real piece of work I look forward to after an HF check. Now what am I supposed to do?
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