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Wheelswatch 04-13-2020 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by Brickhut (Post 3030914)
Only thing worse than the Northface crowd are the "senior slobs" (mostly DEN CA's). Guys in full uniform compliance by definition only. Old striped tie that is splitting and curling up at the end with a knot that looks like a 3 year old tied it, wrinkled off-white shirts that haven't seen bleach or a dry cleaner since they were produced, London fog coats that are so tattered and faded, they'd look more at home in an '86 Ford van at Chris Hanson's "Sting" house, and beat up old Payless loafers from their interview in 1994.

The uniform only looks professional when you wear it professionally.

I'd be happy with a flight suit (utilitarian.) Contrary to what most fancy themselves, we are not white collar workers. We are not "officers." We are laborers, workers, equipment operators. We don't even interact with the public like in the old days. The FA's do, but pilots, not so much. Stuff us in the cockpit, let us be comfortable, uniformed reasonably, to operate our machinery.

SaintNick 04-13-2020 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by BiffleBalls (Post 3025351)
Anyone who uses the term "fake news" needs their head examined.

you realize cnn started the term fake news (or faux news for Fox News during the Obama admin)

rickair7777 04-13-2020 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by Wheelswatch (Post 3031007)
I'd be happy with a flight suit (utilitarian.) Contrary to what most fancy themselves, we are not white collar workers. We are not "officers." We are laborers, workers, equipment operators. We don't even interact with the public like in the old days. The FA's do, but pilots, not so much. Stuff us in the cockpit, let us be comfortable, uniformed reasonably, to operate our machinery.

Some majors at least have a slightly different outlook. We are still expected to provide some "adult supervision" at the pointy end of the operation, where the line sups may have a GED. There is also a hope (sometimes realized, sometimes not), that we'll take the initiative and smooth the process when we see an opportunity. It's not that much different than my military officer role.

Regardless, any of us have veto power where safety is concerned (thanks FAA).

majorpilot 04-13-2020 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Chief Brody (Post 3025339)
Because the funeral homes are on lockdown. No one is being buried. Where do you suggest they put the bodies lying in wait??
Again fake news.. This is not due to the virus killing too many people. it is the reaction of the government shuddering businesses which would normally bury these bodies.
get your head out of the sand


Don’t know where your head is, but evidently it hasn’t been the dictionary. It’s “shuttering.” “Shuddering” is what reasoned, educated people are doing in reaction to some of your posts.

Social distancing is not responsible for a sudden inability to handle an oversupply of fresh corpses.

majorpilot 04-13-2020 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 3025384)
Great job to those of you who are panicked. You're weak and acting in fear without the benefit of observation.

Science and reason aren’t panic. But your words reflect panic—as well as an selfish prioritization of your own personal interest above anything else.

Google “Keith Redding lung damage” and watch a doctor walk through the severe damage suffered by a 59-yo nonsmoker before he was hospitalized. After watching that if you still think it’s like the flu, you’re hopeless.

Of course, one would have to accept science, 3-D modeling, and decades of medical experience and training ... nah! I’ll just “believe” what I want and reject everything else.

Many years ago you were the guys saying man wouldn’t fly, people couldn’t breathe above 20 stories up, and spirits caused sickness ... glad progress continues even through human fear and failings. Darwin will win, though..

Wheelswatch 04-13-2020 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3031123)
Some majors at least have a slightly different outlook. We are still expected to provide some "adult supervision" at the pointy end of the operation, where the line sups may have a GED. There is also a hope (sometimes realized, sometimes not), that we'll take the initiative and smooth the process when we see an opportunity. It's not that much different than my military officer role.

Regardless, any of us have veto power where safety is concerned (thanks FAA).

Be that as it may, and I don't necessarily disagree with you, a monkey suit hardly begets such authority. Ditch it already. My opinion, which means nothing, because it'll never change.

Chief Brody 04-13-2020 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by majorpilot (Post 3031163)
Science and reason aren’t panic. But your words reflect panic—as well as an selfish prioritization of your own personal interest above anything else.

Google “Keith Redding lung damage” and watch a doctor walk through the severe damage suffered by a 59-yo nonsmoker before he was hospitalized. After watching that if you still think it’s like the flu, you’re hopeless.

Of course, one would have to accept science, 3-D modeling, and decades of medical experience and training ... nah! I’ll just “believe” what I want and reject everything else.

Many years ago you were the guys saying man wouldn’t fly, people couldn’t breathe above 20 stories up, and spirits caused sickness ... glad progress continues even through human fear and failings. Darwin will win, though..

Hahaha!!
'So if you question Fauci that makes you a non believer in science?? Fauci was wrong and is talking out both sides of his a** right now. Your thinking is dangerous and you are the one that is simple minded.
His numerous miscalculations ruined our economy and will be responsible for more deaths than the virus itself.
#firefauci

majorpilot 04-13-2020 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Chief Brody (Post 3031219)
Hahaha!!
'So if you question Fauci that makes you a non believer in science?? Fauci was wrong and is talking out both sides of his a** right now. Your thinking is dangerous and you are the one that is simple minded.
His numerous miscalculations ruined our economy and will be responsible for more deaths than the virus itself.
#firefauci


No, not at all. If one believes Fauci “ruined our economy” is what is simple-minded. It’s not dangerous unless it’s shared by someone powerful...oops, well is IS dangerous!

And right to name-calling, Trumprangutan move no. 1? Do you people ever have a positive, reality-based suggestion? Or is it always someone else’s fault? Even were your fantasy true, Fauci is an appointee doing what he’s hired to do. Why not blame the simple-minded person who hired Fauci, or empowers him? Oh, that’s not in your programming, right? Critical think, much?

majorpilot 04-13-2020 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Chief Brody (Post 3031219)
Hahaha!!
'So if you question Fauci that makes you a non believer in science?? Fauci was wrong and is talking out both sides of his a** right now. Your thinking is dangerous and you are the one that is simple minded.
His numerous miscalculations ruined our economy and will be responsible for more deaths than the virus itself.
#firefauci



Originally Posted by Chief Brody (Post 3031219)
Hahaha!!
'So if you question Fauci that makes you a non believer in science?? Fauci was wrong and is talking out both sides of his a** right now. Your thinking is dangerous and you are the one that is simple minded.
His numerous miscalculations ruined our economy and will be responsible for more deaths than the virus itself.
#firefauci


No, not at all. Believing Fauci “ruined our economy” is what is simple-minded. It’s not dangerous unless it’s shared by someone powerful...oops, well is IS dangerous!

And right to name-calling, Trumprangutan move no. 1? Do you people ever have a positive, reality-based suggestion? Or is it always someone else’s fault? Even were your fantasy true, Fauci is an appointee doing what he’s hired to do. Why not blame the simple-minded person who hired Fauci, or empowers him? Oh, that’s not in your programming, right? Critical think, much?

Powderkeg 04-13-2020 10:43 AM

Looking at majorpilot’s post history it’s easy to see he’s self-important and feels the need to spread his drivel throughout APC. There is no rhyme or reason why or where he elects to enlighten the internet. But suffice it to say, today is F9’s day to sit back and endure his spam. Like the virus, he will be forgotten.

So to get back on track...What are the odds that we survive this? High enough I don’t advocate anybody selling their North Face jacket. I feel there are going to be plenty of opportunities to show it off on the A Concourse in Denver. Cheers everyone �

Chief Brody 04-13-2020 10:54 AM

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...kay-on-feb-29/

#firefauci

Chief Brody 04-13-2020 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by majorpilot (Post 3031157)
Don’t know where your head is, but evidently it hasn’t been the dictionary. It’s “shuttering.” “Shuddering” is what reasoned, educated people are doing in reaction to some of your posts.

Social distancing is not responsible for a sudden inability to handle an oversupply of fresh corpses.

Sure it is. The numbers have been blown way out of proportion. I am right. The economy will be opening starting early May. Crap places that are run by people with your progressive leanings will stay shuddered for a little bit longer. Oh sorry
Shuttered.. But you can shudder in place while the rest of us try to salvage whats left of our economy.

Aero1900 04-13-2020 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Chief Brody (Post 3031308)

Your beloved conservative media downplayed the virus far more and far longer that Fauci.

Chief Brody 04-13-2020 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3031326)
Your beloved conservative media downplayed the virus far more and far longer that Fauci.

Well of course! Conservatives starve children and steal from old people. Heard it all before
#orangemanbad

Trowserchilli 04-13-2020 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3031326)
Your beloved conservative media downplayed the virus far more and far longer that Fauci.

So did your Democrats and the mainstream media. Let’s start with DeBlasio.

https://youtu.be/1JZ0Ruh89f0

DrJekyll MrHyde 04-13-2020 07:17 PM

Partisan politics, cool. Logging off again.

fcoolaiddrinker 04-13-2020 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by DrJekyll MrHyde (Post 3031681)
Partisan politics, cool. Logging off again.

Me too. Moderators must be asleep at the wheel again.

bidnez 04-13-2020 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by Chief Brody (Post 3031308)

His news source comes from Breitbart.. I think this was right next to the article about Bigfoot keeping a lumber jack as a sex slave

kevbo 04-13-2020 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by Chief Brody (Post 3031371)
Well of course! Conservatives starve children and steal from old people. Heard it all before
#orangemanbad

Well, only if they can profit from doing so. BTW, both sides today are way more conservative than Ike was.

Chief Brody 04-14-2020 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by bidnez (Post 3031710)
His news source comes from Breitbart.. I think this was right next to the article about Bigfoot keeping a lumber jack as a sex slave

Wow how progressive and original of you.
Did you come up with that on your own?
What news source do you insist we all follow?
NPR, CNN, CBS, FOX??

Why are you so afraid of a thought or a word that goes against your university indoctrination? Being intolerant of another’s point of view really shows your insecurity in your own belief system.

CAirBear 04-14-2020 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3031688)
Me too. Moderators must be asleep at the wheel again.

Yup. It’s incredibly stupid how many people argue about people who give absolutely no s... about them. It’s absolutely incredible to me. 🐑

tomgoodman was the only dude who would close threads and be all over it. Sucks he’s MIA now. Please come back!

kevbo 04-14-2020 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Chief Brody (Post 3031784)
well heck since we are going back to Ike does that mean we blame Democrats for fighting against Lincoln for slavery and opposing the civil rights act?

Only if there is a bunch of 150y/o people around that actually know the difference. I would say slavery and civil rights have improved a lot more than pilot careers have.

Roy Biggins 04-14-2020 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by CAirBear (Post 3031869)
Yup. It’s incredibly stupid how many people argue about people who give absolutely no s... about them. It’s absolutely incredible to me. 🐑

tomgoodman was the only dude who would close threads and be all over it. Sucks he’s MIA now. Please come back!

You need your safe space CareBear??

CAirBear 04-14-2020 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by Roy Biggins (Post 3031989)
You need your safe space CareBear??

Lmao! Keep on keepin on. You are the people politicians love. You believe and regurgitate all of their stupid BS. I’m not going to argue with you though.

Lets hope we all get approved for some grant money and get out of this mess in the fall. Time will tell.

bidnez 04-16-2020 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by Chief Brody (Post 3031784)
well heck since we are going back to Ike does that mean we blame Democrats for fighting against Lincoln for slavery and opposing the civil rights act?

You're hardly worth arguing with, but do you realize the parties switched political views- Republicans used to call themselves Democrats and Democrats called themselves Republicans. Lincoln was a modern day, Democrat.

Sounds like you could use at least some public school indoctrination yourself.

RustyChain 04-16-2020 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by bidnez (Post 3033944)
You're hardly worth arguing with, but do you realize the parties switched political views- Republicans used to call themselves Democrats and Democrats called themselves Republicans. Lincoln was a modern day, Democrat.

Sounds like you could use at least some public school indoctrination yourself.

Dude what? That is some mental gymnastics to summarize it that way.

majorpilot 04-16-2020 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by Chief Brody (Post 3031318)
Sure it is. The numbers have been blown way out of proportion. I am right. The economy will be opening starting early May. Crap places that are run by people with your progressive leanings will stay shuddered for a little bit longer. Oh sorry
Shuttered.. But you can shudder in place while the rest of us try to salvage whats left of our economy.


Yeah, good luck with that. See ya in a few months.

majorpilot 04-16-2020 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by Powderkeg (Post 3031289)
There is no rhyme or reason why or where he elects to enlighten the internet.

I don’t expect you to be enlightened, there needs to be both a lamp and power for light. You seem to have shut down both.

Reason and science will prevail, panic and emotion knee-jerking will not. Like the Salem witch-trial prosecutors and Inquisition fans, your brand of stupid eventually loses. ALWAYS.

Squirrel27 04-17-2020 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by RustyChain (Post 3033996)
Dude what? That is some mental gymnastics to summarize it that way.

It's really not that difficult, and was explained pretty well. Republicans used to be liberal, progressive, and the party of a large government. Nothing that they support now. So when somebody says "Lincoln was a Republican," he almost certainly would not identify with today's Republican Party, because they embody absolutely zero ideals that he stood for.

Bwipilot 04-17-2020 12:56 PM

Take a look at Lincoln and the current GOP platforms.

Lincoln was for a strong union--not division between the north and the south. He wanted a strong US military--he knew he'd need it to keep the country together. Lincoln was against the expansion of slavery--and latter against all slavery. He was for the development of the west--and used the Homestead Act for citizens to accomplish that--without government support except title to the land. Lincoln was also for tariffs to protect domestic production.

Seems like the Republican party has returned to Lincoln's policies rather than abandoning them. I would counter that the Democrat party's economic platform is much closer to Karl Marx than JFK (who enacted tax cuts to stimulate the economy and worried about budget deficits).

Opinions, politics, and *******s--everybody has at least one. Some are full of $#!^

full of luv 04-17-2020 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by Bwipilot (Post 3034533)
Take a look at Lincoln and the current GOP platforms.

Lincoln was for a strong union--not division between the north and the south. He wanted a strong US military--he knew he'd need it to keep the country together. Lincoln was against the expansion of slavery--and latter against all slavery. He was for the development of the west--and used the Homestead Act for citizens to accomplish that--without government support except title to the land. Lincoln was also for tariffs to protect domestic production.

Seems like the Republican party has returned to Lincoln's policies rather than abandoning them. I would counter that the Democrat party's economic platform is much closer to Karl Marx than JFK (who enacted tax cuts to stimulate the economy and worried about budget deficits).

Opinions, politics, and *******s--everybody has at least one. Some are full of $#!^

Thought experiment:
Imagine for a moment if JFK were resurrected as a hologram later this year in the middle of the DNC convention and gave his famous Inaugural speech of 1961 containing the line:

“My fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country.”

He would be boo'd and pilloried as a Republican of the worst kind.

Excargodog 04-17-2020 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by majorpilot (Post 3031157)

Social distancing is not responsible for a sudden inability to handle an oversupply of fresh corpses.

on any given day 15,000 people die in the US. Except for April 14 when they changed the criteria and we had a one day
increase to 6000 corona deaths, the corona deaths have not really been any huge increase over background, especially since they were disproportionately in the elderly who have a high background death rate anyway.

https://i.ibb.co/TR8h5KT/D3434-E73-5...3793-E3893.jpght

emersonbiguns 04-17-2020 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3034646)
....the corona deaths have not really been any huge increase over background...

Not if you spread it over the entire country. Why don't you run the numbers for NYC and see why they're stacking bodies in refrigerated trailers?

My reading shows a daily increase of 300%+ over almost an entire month. What do you come up with?

Excargodog 04-17-2020 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by emersonbiguns (Post 3034810)
Not if you spread it over the entire country. Why don't you run the numbers for NYC and see why they're stacking bodies in refrigerated trailers?

My reading shows a daily increase of 300%+ over almost an entire month. What do you come up with?

Cities have always been hit harder by airborne epidemics - dating back to the early days of Rome. On the other hand, if you are planning on having a heart attack or major trauma being in NYC near a hospital as opposed to someplace like Skagway Alaska is a huge advantage.

About a million people have a heart attack annually and 14% of them die of it. That’s 140,000 people. it’s even worse for major trauma. It kills 150,000 annually.

Bet you a fifth of Jeremiah Weed that coronavirus deaths in the US don’t hit 140,000 annually. Ever.

fcoolaiddrinker 04-17-2020 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3034921)
Cities have always been hit harder by airborne epidemics - dating back to the early days of Rome. On the other hand, if you are planning on having a heart attack or major trauma being in NYC near a hospital as opposed to someplace like Skagway Alaska is a huge advantage.

About a million people have a heart attack annually and 14% of them die of it. That’s 140,000 people. it’s even worse for major trauma. It kills 150,000 annually.

Bet you a fifth of Jeremiah Weed that coronavirus deaths in the US don’t hit 140,000 annually. Ever.

The flaw in the argument that we should have just let the virus just run it’s course is nobody will ever know how that would have played out? If the majority of the population became sick in roughly the same period of time the economy would have tanked anyhow. We do know that. I’ll bet you it would have topped 140,000 deaths had we done nothing. Fortunately we’ll never know.

Punkah Louvre 04-18-2020 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3034921)
Cities have always been hit harder by airborne epidemics - dating back to the early days of Rome. On the other hand, if you are planning on having a heart attack or major trauma being in NYC near a hospital as opposed to someplace like Skagway Alaska is a huge advantage.

About a million people have a heart attack annually and 14% of them die of it. That’s 140,000 people. it’s even worse for major trauma. It kills 150,000 annually.

Bet you a fifth of Jeremiah Weed that coronavirus deaths in the US don’t hit 140,000 annually. Ever.

Also; cite your sources. the CDC states 647,000 Americans die from heartdisease each year—that's 1 in every 4 deaths.
Crucially; I can't catch your heart attack. You cant give yours to 3 other people...
The point that your analysis misses is that the covid19 deaths are net new deaths. not reclassification of an existing death rate. granted; c19 tends (though the numbers are normalizing around 49 years old now..) towards mortality in older and sicker populations; Cardio Vascular deaths tend towards poorer communities. Left unchecked, with no mitigation strategies and credible forecasts predict anything up to 2 million net new deaths.
It sucks. No one wants to be broke, sad watching reruns in pajamas. everyone understands the economic costs of a shutdown; but the low number of deaths is a reflection of the success of the lockdowns. it's the lesser of two enormous evils...

senecacaptain 04-18-2020 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3034921)
Cities have always been hit harder by airborne epidemics - dating back to the early days of Rome. On the other hand, if you are planning on having a heart attack or major trauma being in NYC near a hospital as opposed to someplace like Skagway Alaska is a huge advantage.

About a million people have a heart attack annually and 14% of them die of it. That’s 140,000 people. it’s even worse for major trauma. It kills 150,000 annually.

Bet you a fifth of Jeremiah Weed that coronavirus deaths in the US don’t hit 140,000 annually. Ever.

We have 37k deaths which basically is Jan to April time period. I hope you are correct.

emersonbiguns 04-18-2020 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3034921)
Cities have always been hit harder by airborne epidemics - dating back to the early days of Rome. On the other hand, if you are planning on having a heart attack or major trauma being in NYC near a hospital as opposed to someplace like Skagway Alaska is a huge advantage.

About a million people have a heart attack annually and 14% of them die of it. That’s 140,000 people. it’s even worse for major trauma. It kills 150,000 annually.

Bet you a fifth of Jeremiah Weed that coronavirus deaths in the US don’t hit 140,000 annually. Ever.

But at least I know when the other guy is having a heart attack so I can stay away from him and not catch one too.

Chief Brody 04-18-2020 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by emersonbiguns (Post 3035144)
But at least I know when the other guy is having a heart attack so I can stay away from him and not catch one too.

Than stay home and curl up in the fetal position The grown ups will get the economy going for you.

Burton78 04-18-2020 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by Chief Brody (Post 3035421)
Than stay home and curl up in the fetal position The grown ups will get the economy going for you.


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