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Why is the difference so dramatic? Who will come out the other side sooner and less damaged?
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Originally Posted by RustyChain
(Post 3089684)
I'm pointing out a mathematical principle, you think I'm advocating a position, I didn't, but you want to project the most extreme position you can think of. This thought process is why we are so divided.
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Originally Posted by MamaHidesCookie
(Post 3089706)
WutFace can't help it. He / she is ruled by emotion - unable of critical thinking, unable of self-reflection. Expect to be called names... its best to just put him / her on your ignore list.
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Case NUMBERS hitting record highs
Deaths trending up from post epidemic lows.
https://i.ibb.co/Fndk9QR/744541-E1-3...-A1-E89213.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Pt26vY0/48-A7524-B-...0960-C2-E2.jpg so looking at the bright side, at least case mortality is coming down, Could be: More young people getting it with lower case mortality Different strain with higher infectivity but lower case mortality More community spread and less occupational spread giving Lower infective dose giving lower case mortality Already exhausted the supply of exceedingly vulnerable so lower case mortality Timing artifact. Gonna have the case mortality go skyrocketing back to where it was after the inevitable lag. Other? |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3089941)
Deaths trending up from post epidemic lows.
https://i.ibb.co/Fndk9QR/744541-E1-3...-A1-E89213.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Pt26vY0/48-A7524-B-...0960-C2-E2.jpg so looking at the bright side, at least case mortality is coming down, Could be: More young people getting it with lower case mortality Different strain with higher infectivity but lower case mortality More community spread and less occupational spread giving Lower infective dose giving lower case mortality Already exhausted the supply of exceedingly vulnerable so lower case mortality Timing artifact. Gonna have the case mortality go skyrocketing back to where it was after the inevitable lag. Other? Unfortunately I think it is lag. Hospitals are filling now so over the next week to two weeks I expect us to smash through 1k which we are just hiding under heading to 1500. If nothing is done I expect to be 2-3 again in a month. |
We're talking lag at work..
Reinfection case was actually a person that donated convalescent antibodies several times. The patient assumed they were immune. That's all i can say till the case review is published. There are several now being reviewed. |
Originally Posted by OpMidClimax
(Post 3090246)
We're talking lag at work..
Reinfection case was actually a person that donated convalescent antibodies several times. The patient assumed they were immune. That's all i can say till the case review is published. There are several now being reviewed. Reinfection or relapse? Some viruses (herpes zoster comes to mind) can be dormant for 50-60 years and then relapse (shingles) as the immunity decreases. Or was it a different strain ? |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3090255)
Reinfection or relapse? Some viruses (herpes zoster comes to mind) can be dormant for 50-60 years and then relapse (shingles) as the immunity decreases. Or was it a different strain ?
Herpes zolster latent phase is much different and wouldn't be expected from covid 19. |
Originally Posted by Downtime
(Post 3090067)
Unfortunately I think it is lag. Hospitals are filling now so over the next week to two weeks I expect us to smash through 1k which we are just hiding under heading to 1500. If nothing is done I expect to be 2-3 again in a month.
If so, we shouldn’t have long to wait to find that out. Yesterday the CDC released the results of a study characterizing follow up information on some of the first COVID fatalities. It was a more in depth study of the comorbidities, racial composition, and clinical course of 10,000 plus COVID fatalities. This is what they found: Among decedents for whom supplementary data were reported, 8,976 (84.3%) were hospitalized. Among 3,021 (28.4%) with dates of illness onset and death reported, the median interval from illness onset to death was 10 days (IQR = 6–15 days); among 7,794 decedents with hospital admission and death dates, the median interval from hospital admission to death was 5 days (IQR = 3–8 days) https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/...cid=mm6928e1_w That is far different than the three weeks several posters here have been claiming. Moreover, this is consistent with what was found with the COVID -19s ‘big brother’ SARS back in 2093. Those who died typically had a shorter course of illness - only about five days - than those who survived. So basically, in five to ten days from the start of those rising numbers, which began about two weeks ago, we should have seen half the effect we were going to see on the deathrate by five days ago. Obviously number of cases continued to go up - but deaths peaked five days ago and are currently plateaued if not starting to fall. more and more this is looking like a drop in the case-fatality rate, either from younger patients or some other factor. |
Originally Posted by OpMidClimax
(Post 3090286)
There is no evidence of dormancy at this time.
Herpes zolster(sic) latent phase is much different and wouldn't be expected from covid 19. Utter nonsense. How would anyone KNOW about decade long latency in an organism that’s only been studied for six months? Latent viral infections in humans include herpes simplex, varicella zoster, Epstein-Barr, human cytomegalovirus, adenovirus, and Kaposi's sarcoma. Granted, those are DNA viruses and not RNA viruses, but even Kuru and CJD can exhibit latency, and they aren’t even viruses, just prions. No reason to think it couldn't occur with coronavirus. And certainly no reason to rule it out so soon. And indeed, researchers are actively considering the possibility: https://medium.com/microbial-instinc...s-7b305fcfe9a8 https://www.self.com/story/coronavirus-reinfection And Mouse Hepatitis virus, which IS a coronavirus, has been shown to be capable of going dormant with subsequent reactivating. https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmi...aft=collection https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4344757/ https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ome_in_AJ_Mice |
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