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Old 04-19-2020, 11:28 AM
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I would put my money on reparations being paid. Especially when (if) it is found that it was manmade.
Exceptionally unlikely, there's no use for such a virus, terror or otherwise. Why bother?

Besides it would be easy to spot genetic engineering, I assume somebody would have looked at that already.

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Placing all of this aside the west now has STATEGIC moral superiority over China and I wouldn't be surprised if this was leveraged to take action on China's overreach in the SC Sea.
Not that easy, but it will be considered.

There's no way they can afford to pay tens of trillions in reparations, but they might have to agree to some token payments and that might include some geo-pol behavioral changes.

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Kinetic, political, social or economic warfare is coming with China. The question is.....what mix of these four will be pursued.
It's already here, albeit low intensity. This will likely change the mix.
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Old 04-19-2020, 11:45 AM
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I respectfully disagree with all of your points.
Some one has looked at it....https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liv...303649821.html

Utility doenst need to play a part. Science for science sake. Ego. Commercial. But also military. Its also a weapon....plain and simple.

And bo this is not an academic argument. It is important to know where it came from as that will prove as the nucleus for action. If we found some enriched uranium in a random country the world's ears would collectivly prick. And there would be a concerted effort to find out whats going on.

Yep...China cant afford it.....what about a payment plan... Has happend in the past.....or will pay pennies in the dollar. Point being it will only strengthern the wests moral superiority....

And debasing China in the SC Sea will no be deterred by lack of ease.

This is just a catalyst.

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Old 04-19-2020, 02:10 PM
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I respectfully disagree with all of your points.
Some one has looked at it....https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liv...303649821.html


Huh??? Go back and read the ENTIRE article, is says the good Dr., while once brilliant, is now is off his rocker, and quotes his peers to that affect. COVID was created as a cure for AIDS??? Beyond Ludicrous.

Might a Chinese lab do research on coronaviruses for academic or practical purposes? Sure.

Might such a lab have an accidental exposure which subsequently got loose in the wild? Sure, the Russians have done that.

But it wasn't engineered or somebody would have spotted that. In fact legit, reputable scientsist have already concluded that it's natural:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...nalysis-nature

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Utility doenst need to play a part. Science for science sake. Ego. Commercial. But also military. Its also a weapon....plain and simple.
It's not a weapon, has no utility as such (and I'm an expert on weapons). Kind of like a capability to crash the moon into earth has no utility as a weapon.
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Communists arent going to pay a cent. In china they have starved tens of millions of their own people. Murdered and imprisoned millions more.

They are not losing 1 minute sleep over this.

the virus wasnt 'engineered' but the communists concealment of the pathogen and enabling its world wide spread was at a minimum criminal.

about the only restitution option would be ejecting china from the WTO. And revocation of MFNTS by the US.

Not likey though....as with the WHO china has enough bureaucrats paid off it will never happen.
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Huh??? Go back and read the ENTIRE article, is says the good Dr., while once brilliant, is now is off his rocker, and quotes his peers to that affect. COVID was created as a cure for AIDS??? Beyond Ludicrous.

Might a Chinese lab do research on coronaviruses for academic or practical purposes? Sure.

Might such a lab have an accidental exposure which subsequently got loose in the wild? Sure, the Russians have done that.

But it wasn't engineered or somebody would have spotted that. In fact legit, reputable scientsist have already concluded that it's natural:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...nalysis-nature



It's not a weapon, has no utility as such (and I'm an expert on weapons). Kind of like a capability to crash the moon into earth has no utility as a weapon.
Completely agree here. I have yet to find an article with anyone reputable saying there’s any evidence that it was man made. People keep reposting articles that say they are investigating if there is a link like that’s some kind of slam dunk their conspiracy theory is true when it is simply due diligence.
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To be honest, no I didn’t read the entire article. However, whilst not splitting tacs here you claimed that someone would have looked at it. It is to this point that I responded by showing someone HAD looked at it. Regardless, I’m not a conspiracist and I DON’T think that it’s a manufactured weapon…….but I’m not discounting the fact that it may be the genesis of something that they planned on creating. It would have utility if it was further developed…but hey I’m not a biological weapons expert. Rather I was arguing the possibility that it may have been manufactured, much like it may rain elephants tomorrow. Online forums spoil the nuance of natural conversation.
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https://www.worldtribune.com/calls-for-chinese-reparations-gather-steam-in-washington-berlin/

"First that would give us the justification to block flights to and from China. Secondly, it would allow us to broadcast Western media into mainland China and Taiwan. And thirdly, it would give just the justification to block China [from getting] into the world trade organizations,” Banks said.

“So, if they don’t come before the court, which we expect that that’s what they would do, then it would give us justification on the world stage to do those actions and embarrass China and draw more attention to their role in spreading this pandemic around the world,” he added.

Bild editor-in-chief Julian Reichel wrote to Chinese supreme leader Xi Jinping: “You, your government and your scientists had to know long ago that coronavirus is highly infectious, but you left the world in the dark about it. Your top experts didn’t respond when Western researchers asked to know what was going on in Wuhan. You were too proud and too nationalistic to tell the truth, which you felt was a national disgrace.”


In Germany, meanwhile, the Bild newspaper delivered a powerful editorial attack that calculated China owed Germany €149 billion (U.S. $162 billion) for coronavirus damages, triggering an angry response from the Chinese embassy in Berlin.

Bild said the compensation amounts to €1,784 per person if Germany’s GDP drops by 4.2 percent. The Bild article was titled: “What China owes us”.

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Thats what started the ball rolling on the last world war. Im surprised the germans arent considering that.

The only viable retribution is to deny the communists access to the international market place and monetary system.

Of course they are likely to consider that a hostile act.
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https://www.tweaktown.com/news/71893...uit/index.html

"As for the changes of winning the lawsuit, considering it is a economy-crushing $4 trillion -- Alters added: "The chances are not nil. They are very good. We will be able to pursue this in court and it will be up to our judge or judges. And at some point, bring China to bear so that they have to pay for what they've done".
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
It's not that far fetched...

You don't actually need to get china to AGREE to pay...

They have gazillions in assets on US soil, much of which is not liquid and not portable.

So all you need to do is get a US court to hear the case, and a US jury to rule in your favor and then you can help yourselves to whatever PRC assets are available in our jurisdiction. Without running afoul of international conventions. You might even be able to go after assets in other countries which have legal alignment with the US.

There's precedent, the most obvious examples are the family of terrorism victims going after the assets of rogue regimes in the US and the western world.

If it's not ALPA, I'd just about guarantee *somebody* is going to go after offshore PRC assets... probably a lot of somebodies.

Downside for ALPA is that it could stir up a hornets nest, PRC could do something like ban ALPA members from flying into their country.

Although I suspect it's more likely that the USG will get PRC to agree to some sort of reparations paid to the US government for further distribution to US persons who were harmed. A deal like that would have to include legislation banning lawsuits against PRC over the issue.

This all assumes that PRC really screwed the pooch on containing this and communicating with other nations... it's starting to look that way, and that last part is really going to bite them.
We should really just seize and sell privately owned homes by Chinese nationals. Would probably pay for everything.
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