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Old 07-25-2020, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1 View Post
Maybe they will. Considering it’s the year 2020 and they really need this for the world to move on.
Maybe we will get hit by another Chicxulub sized asteroid like the one that did in the dinosaurs and suffer another worldwide extinction event too. Anything is possible.

But after a hundred years of seeking one, we still don’t have an influenza immunization that is much more than 50% effective, and that in a good year. In a bad year it might be only 10% effective. And that’s in 2020 too. We MAY get an effective vaccine for coronavirus but it’s certainly not impossible that we won’t get one.

And even if we do it’s likely not to be any time very soon.
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Old 07-25-2020, 09:19 AM
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I was going to take my nieces to Yosemite, Sequoia, and San Francisco next week. I had booked NPS lodging a year in advance and bought our plane tickets in February.

My sister told me I had to cancel yesterday. She was scared by the headlines regarding virus cases in CA, daily deaths being back over 1,000, and all the rioting going on in big cities. She never once expressed any concern about the safety of our trans-con flight.
This is the stuff that really kicks me in the shorts. There are a lot of valid reasons to change plans right now, but I suspect the nonstop fear mongering from the popular media is hurting us all just as much as those valid reasons are.

I’m not saying the virus and the unrest aren’t serious in their own right. I’m saying the popular media across the spectrum is acting with the same level of integrity found in used car sales, and it’s difficult to deal with real problems and manufactured problems at the same time.

Sorry your trip got cancelled.
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Old 07-25-2020, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
Maybe we will get hit by another Chicxulub sized asteroid like the one that did in the dinosaurs and suffer another worldwide extinction event too. Anything is possible.

But after a hundred years of seeking one, we still don’t have an influenza immunization that is much more than 50% effective, and that in a good year. In a bad year it might be only 10% effective. And that’s in 2020 too. We MAY get an effective vaccine for coronavirus but it’s certainly not impossible that we won’t get one.

And even if we do it’s likely not to be any time very soon.
Sounds like you’re pretty against it.
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Old 07-25-2020, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by pad39a View Post
This is the stuff that really kicks me in the shorts. There are a lot of valid reasons to change plans right now, but I suspect the nonstop fear mongering from the popular media is hurting us all just as much as those valid reasons are.

I’m not saying the virus and the unrest aren’t serious in their own right. I’m saying the popular media across the spectrum is acting with the same level of integrity found in used car sales, and it’s difficult to deal with real problems and manufactured problems at the same time.

Sorry your trip got cancelled.
Obviously the mainstream media is there for entertainment too, they have to keep the park open 24/7. However you can’t really makeup a global pandemic. I guess you can turn off the TV and pretend it’s not there. But then you’ll have places like Texas, Arizona, the South, SoCal etc Only way to have people flying again is to take this seriously rather than pretending it’s not there.
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Old 07-25-2020, 10:53 AM
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which will all return after the virus is under control, or their is a vaccine.
Nobody is suggesting life won't go on. The issue is the time it takes to get even close to 'back to normal'. Aviation isn't the only industry that needs to cut itself in half for the indefinite future.

Many of us are about to have to compete with 50 million, give or take, people for a job that will cover our living expenses without needing to raid our savings. Some of us will be left without a carrier to which we can expect to be recalled.

We've wasted hundreds of pages arguing why and that is open for some debate. Those who don't see it as an exestential threat to pilot career expectations are frankly delusional. A few will ride this out relatively unscathed but most are going to be negatively impacted and some quite servely.
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Old 07-25-2020, 11:26 AM
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Nobody is suggesting life won't go on. The issue is the time it takes to get even close to 'back to normal'. Aviation isn't the only industry that needs to cut itself in half for the indefinite future.

Many of us are about to have to compete with 50 million, give or take, people for a job that will cover our living expenses without needing to raid our savings. Some of us will be left without a carrier to which we can expect to be recalled.

We've wasted hundreds of pages arguing why and that is open for some debate. Those who don't see it as an exestential threat to pilot career expectations are frankly delusional. A few will ride this out relatively unscathed but most are going to be negatively impacted and some quite servely.
the reason for my optimism is how quickly the numbers rebounded in June, and the first week of July until the corona numbers started climbing again. That’s proof to me, that passengers will come back, and quickly.

also, due to early outs, Alaska, and southwest aren’t furloughing. Delta probably won’t either. Now I know, that is only 3 airlines, but every seniority list was supposed to be gutted on oct. 1. There is some positivity out there, that this may not be as devastating to pilot careers as once thought.
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Old 07-25-2020, 12:25 PM
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It’s a two year wait in my area to have a swimming pool installed.


Look at all the Facebook Karyn’s selling $30 inflatable Walmart pools for $200+...that’s concerning


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Old 07-25-2020, 12:40 PM
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Look at all the Facebook Karyn’s selling $30 inflatable Walmart pools for $200+...that’s concerning


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You’re right! I just checked Craigslist and saw a pool selling for $1350 which is listed at Target for $336 ( out of stock)
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Old 07-25-2020, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by itsmytime View Post
the reason for my optimism is how quickly the numbers rebounded in June, and the first week of July until the corona numbers started climbing again. That’s proof to me, that passengers will come back, and quickly.

also, due to early outs, Alaska, and southwest aren’t furloughing. Delta probably won’t either. Now I know, that is only 3 airlines, but every seniority list was supposed to be gutted on oct. 1. There is some positivity out there, that this may not be as devastating to pilot careers as once thought.
Lets be real here, yes Alaska has a lot of folks volunteering for leaves which at this point has mitigated the October furlough threat, but given the current trajectory of the virus and its effects on future bookings the chances of Alaska furloughing next year remains high.
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Old 07-25-2020, 01:03 PM
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Look at all the Facebook Karyn’s selling $30 inflatable Walmart pools for $200+...that’s concerning


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It's spelled, "Karen!"

I'd like to speak with your manager.
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