Knobcrk1

And you can claim this how? Even the experts don’t know. Also only around 1% of the US has been infected by the virus, at least officially, and it still caused all this mayhem. Herd immunity will take a lot more than a single digit infection percentage. I think we’re going to go on like this for at least another year. Openings and shutdowns until we get it under control and then by then we will have some kind of vaccine that will help from people getting reinfected until it finally goes away maybe years from now. The last big one went away after about 2 years and that wasn’t as bad as this one.

Knobcrk1

Yes exactly. Most of the rest of the world has socialist tendencies and they’re more likely to trust their government. Good luck with that here. Even though those countries had stricter lockdowns, they also had programs in place where their citizens were not effected too much financially therefore making it easier for them to obey lockdowns. I guess us airline crews got something like that but rest of those told to stay home, not so much. All can be attributed to the initial federal response.

senecacaptain

plenty of other threads (or create your own...) to discuss vaccines for livestock or conspiracies.

lets stick to discussion about TSA #s, load counts, analysis of same, etc please

LoneStar32

lot easier to accomplish when your population in 20 million and you’re country is the size of Main.

Excargodog

You need to SERIOUSLY study some history. This one is TRIVIAL compared to the Spanish Flu.

https://www.history.com/topics/world...8-flu-pandemic

Excargodog

No. I’m pretty adamant that there ought to be a Plan B because there is certainly no GUARANTEE that we will ever get an effective vaccine and be able to get enough people to take it to make a difference. Not saying it will be impossible. Just saying that if it happens it will be a first. In fact, eliminating ANY serious human pathogen through vaccination in less than 180 years would be a first.

rickair7777

You mean "trust their governments to shoot them in the back if they don't comply"

IMO the US in general relied far too heavily on mass lockdowns in the early days, but it became very apparent, very quickly, that was overreach, that light social distancing would have a huge impact. The latter would affect some industries dis proportionally (ie us) but would not have as much of an impact on the broader economy. But a large segment of the population had an emotional backlash and went hard over the other direction, with predictable results.

Governors either didn't consider the emotional impact (or maybe just didn't care, if they had ulterior motives). Leadership is an art form, some of our autocratic party hacks didn't realize it's not as simple as giving orders to robots. Fuel to the fire was the complete lack of communication as to the way ahead... timeline, metrics, etc. My governor actually had the audacity to say at one point that the standard was something like zero deaths for 14 days. By that logic we need to get a bunch of big caterpillar machines out to tear up the interstate highway system.

Knobcrk1

What about all of Europe, how big is that? How did they keep the infections lower with more people?

Knobcrk1

I was talking about the swine flu. That went away in about 2 years.

GogglesPisano

Help me out here. What happened with polio, smallpox, yellow fever, mumps, rubella .... Some are not completely eliminated but certainly no longer pose a threat in advanced nations.

As far as anti-vaxxers, the solution is proof of COVID vaccination in order to take part in modern society -- everything from entering a crowd to getting on an airplane. They keep their "freedoms" and the rest of us stay safe. This is being done in Asia.

Even Fauci is optimistic about a vaccine by next year.