TSA numbers above 100k seven days in row
07-26-2020, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
You mean "trust their governments to shoot them in the back if they don't comply"
IMO the US in general relied far too heavily on mass lockdowns in the early days, but it became very apparent, very quickly, that was overreach, that light social distancing would have a huge impact. The latter would affect some industries dis proportionally (ie us) but would not have as much of an impact on the broader economy. But a large segment of the population had an emotional backlash and went hard over the other direction, with predictable results.
Governors either didn't consider the emotional impact (or maybe just didn't care, if they had ulterior motives). Leadership is an art form, some of our autocratic party hacks didn't realize it's not as simple as giving orders to robots. Fuel to the fire was the complete lack of communication as to the way ahead... timeline, metrics, etc. My governor actually had the audacity to say at one point that the standard was something like zero deaths for 14 days. By that logic we need to get a bunch of big caterpillar machines out to tear up the interstate highway system.
IMO the US in general relied far too heavily on mass lockdowns in the early days, but it became very apparent, very quickly, that was overreach, that light social distancing would have a huge impact. The latter would affect some industries dis proportionally (ie us) but would not have as much of an impact on the broader economy. But a large segment of the population had an emotional backlash and went hard over the other direction, with predictable results.
Governors either didn't consider the emotional impact (or maybe just didn't care, if they had ulterior motives). Leadership is an art form, some of our autocratic party hacks didn't realize it's not as simple as giving orders to robots. Fuel to the fire was the complete lack of communication as to the way ahead... timeline, metrics, etc. My governor actually had the audacity to say at one point that the standard was something like zero deaths for 14 days. By that logic we need to get a bunch of big caterpillar machines out to tear up the interstate highway system.
07-26-2020, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
What about all of Europe, how big is that? How did they keep the infections lower with more people?
07-26-2020, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by LoneStar32
closed borders, something America should take more seriously.
07-26-2020, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
And you can claim this how? Even the experts don’t know. Also only around 1% of the US has been infected by the virus, at least officially, and it still caused all this mayhem. Herd immunity will take a lot more than a single digit infection percentage. I think we’re going to go on like this for at least another year. Openings and shutdowns until we get it under control and then by then we will have some kind of vaccine that will help from people getting reinfected until it finally goes away maybe years from now. The last big one went away after about 2 years and that wasn’t as bad as this one.
Way more than 1% of the population have been exposed to this virus. The threshold for herd immunity is much lower than ridiculous 50+% numbers being bandied about because of cross immunity. We know that from Diamond Princess.
07-26-2020, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Help me out here. What happened with polio, smallpox, yellow fever, mumps, rubella .... Some are not completely eliminated but certainly no longer pose a threat in advanced nations.
As far as anti-vaxxers, the solution is proof of COVID vaccination in order to take part in modern society -- everything from entering a crowd to getting on an airplane. They keep their "freedoms" and the rest of us stay safe. This is being done in Asia.
Even Fauci is optimistic about a vaccine by next year.
As far as anti-vaxxers, the solution is proof of COVID vaccination in order to take part in modern society -- everything from entering a crowd to getting on an airplane. They keep their "freedoms" and the rest of us stay safe. This is being done in Asia.
Even Fauci is optimistic about a vaccine by next year.
07-26-2020, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
I was talking about the swine flu. That went away in about 2 years.
07-26-2020, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
As far as anti-vaxxers, the solution is proof of COVID vaccination in order to take part in modern society -- everything from entering a crowd to getting on an airplane. They keep their "freedoms" and the rest of us stay safe.
07-26-2020, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
Its ok we’re already banned from other countries.
07-26-2020, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by LoneStar32
what does that have to do with closing out borders?
07-26-2020, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Help me out here. What happened with polio, smallpox, yellow fever, mumps, rubella .... Some are not completely eliminated but certainly no longer pose a threat in advanced nations.
As far as anti-vaxxers, the solution is proof of COVID vaccination in order to take part in modern society -- everything from entering a crowd to getting on an airplane. They keep their "freedoms" and the rest of us stay safe. This is being done in Asia.
Even Fauci is optimistic about a vaccine by next year.
As far as anti-vaxxers, the solution is proof of COVID vaccination in order to take part in modern society -- everything from entering a crowd to getting on an airplane. They keep their "freedoms" and the rest of us stay safe. This is being done in Asia.
Even Fauci is optimistic about a vaccine by next year.
As for anti-vaxxers, I’m not even talking about ANTI-vaxxers, just people who DON’T get their vaccinations, which is at least to some extent a MAJORITY of Americans. Can you tell me when YOUR last Pertussis immunization was? Diphtheria? Ever had an HPV immunization? Heck, a majority of (non-military) people can’t tell you with any certainty if they’ve had a tetanus shot within the Last decade, and lockjaw is a really cr@ppy way to go. We aren’t Asia, and it won’t be that easy.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...-win-over-rest
and Fauci shares my concerns that the logistic and cultural problems might stop immunization from being effective even if we get a good vaccine:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fauci-h...virus-vaccine/
Nor am I the only one in the world that believes it likely we may never get a good vaccine. Something like a quarter of the colds we get are due to four human coronaviruses, HKU1, 229E, NL63 and OC43 , and even after having one, the subsequent immunity seems of reasonably short duration:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....27.20082032v1
34 weeks after having a human coronavirus your chance of being reinfected by the same coronavirus is the same as someone who has never had it. That does not bode well for a ‘good’ vaccine, and it is entirely consistent with the veterinary experience with animal coronaviruses which is one of relatively poor and short-lived success.
So please forgive me, Goggles, but I don’t think that brainstorming other potential options is necessarily a bad idea.
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